@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo He said "moderate"

@LouisIngenthron @freemo Oh, survival of the human race is not an option. Noted.

@admitsWrongIfProven @LouisIngenthron

our odds are going down

@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @LouisIngenthron

Are squared now? Even?

@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven Our odds are always going down, on a long enough timescale. That's the nature of entropy. 😛

@LouisIngenthron @freemo And there it is. Acceptance of our demise.
I agree. We shall vanish from this world, on account of our inability to comprehend :-)

@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo Have you *seen* how humans behave?

No, I think a prerequisite to survival is, y'know, "wanting to survive" and it seems like a majority of our species is ambivalent to that at best.

@LouisIngenthron @freemo Well, this "sanders" person seems to try. I cannot claim such, i am complacant in our demise. Supportive, even. It is ok if there are no more humans.

@admitsWrongIfProven

You mean bernie?.. Bernie absolutely tries, and I think he sincerely cares... the only thing he has going against him is he is completely clueless about how to fix it and if he ever had the power to execute it would be horrific for everyone despite the good intentions... sadly good intentions isnt enough, you need competence too.

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@freemo @LouisIngenthron And thus, we exist as we do. I guess it would take a lot to improce our lor, and against our wishes, generally.
We could believe that, or not. Let the people in power for once defend their cash cow.

@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven This is kind of unrelated, but I'm shocked nobody has been able to form a solid labor party in this country. Especially with all the strikes lately, it seems like there's good potential there.

@LouisIngenthron @freemo Must be all the nazis. They gain traction in germany too, again. No idea why adults would hop on that, but they do. There goes the neighborhood.

@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo That's not an unreasonable position to be in.

As for trying, the Crusaders were trying to make the world a better place by spreading the word of Christ; how well did that work out?

Trying is only half the battle. *How* you try is equally as important, and that's where the issues with Sanders arise.

@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo Ah, I see @freemo beat me to it.

@LouisIngenthron @freemo Afaik the dems pushed him out illegally?

@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo Not to my knowledge. He just lost the primary, like he always does.

@LouisIngenthron

More complicated than that... He won the primaries one year in terms of direct votes.. but despite him winning the "normal" vote the superdelegates override this and he was denied the primary anyway.

Its kind of ironic cause people yell and scream about Trump being elected despite not winning the popular vote when they do this regularly within their own party.

@admitsWrongIfProven

@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven Well, yeah, because a party's inner workings don't have to be democratic. Most regular folks don't participate in them anyway, so it's already skewed towards political insiders. That seems more reasonable to me than nonsense like the electoral college for the actual vote.

@LouisIngenthron

There is no legal requirement a party need be democratic, no.. but if they elect not to be they deserve ridicule and a lack of support.

@admitsWrongIfProven

@freemo @LouisIngenthron At least that much is clear. And we can all rest easy: the others don't get the easy life either. We all suffer. Ain't that nice.

@admitsWrongIfProven

I want everyone to have the easiest life possible... the problem is a lot of people dont know how to achieve that and the way they think they can accomplish that often does the opposite.

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@freemo @LouisIngenthron Yeah, eating the rich might pose some ethical problems to normal folks.

@admitsWrongIfProven

Yup, they would be quite surprised after they destroy the biggest wealth producers in society and trigger massive starvation and death for everyone... good intentions dont get you very far, least of all when you do the exact opposite of whats best for society.

That isnt to say that there arent issues to address with the rich, there are, but if your going to eliminate rich people all together, you might as well just cover yourself in honey and go hug a bear, your chance of coming out of it with something positive to show would be much higher.

@LouisIngenthron

@freemo @LouisIngenthron That is about what society is trying, and every bit of not caring i can muster helps my sanity.

@admitsWrongIfProven

I think a lot of people disconnect and stop caring to remain sane... nothing wrong with that.

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@freemo @LouisIngenthron Nothing wrong with humanity ending, i would say.
I generally love people talking to each other, to create something, to improve themselfs and their surroundings. Creating wealth is an antithesis, an entirely different goal.

@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven Some of us prefer businesses that produce actual value, like cheeseburgers or houses, instead of just "wealth".

The people who actually create those things should be the wealthy in a just society, not the people who were born to it.

@LouisIngenthron @freemo Exactly.

@admitsWrongIfProven

Glad all three of us agree then.

@LouisIngenthron

@LouisIngenthron

Cheese burgers and houses **are** wealth... Based on your wording you are confusing "wealth" (things that have utility and value) and money..

If you have profit alone, then you just are moving money around.. you arent generating wealth (or money)... in order to generate wealth you must increase the overall number of things in society with utility... So yes what i said already was in line with what your saying, you just are using wealth in the way of "collecting wealth" which is not the same as "generating wealth".

> The people who actually create those things should be the wealthy in a just society, not the people who were born to it.

Agreed, like the people who sacraficed decades to create the idea, get funding, investing in the building, getting the money to pay people to do the labour, etc... yes the owners who risk everything and actually create the wealth are the people who should be wealthy.

@admitsWrongIfProven

@freemo @LouisIngenthron generate wealth... maybe, there is a price. let's see what reality says to that - let's check back in 100 years. Funny, how that is not possible :-)

@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven

> If you have profit alone, then you just are moving money around

So then you would agree that most of the stock trading industry is not, by your definition, "generating wealth" despite the fact that they become fabulously wealthy by performing their jobs?

> yes the owners who risk everything and actually create the wealth are the people who should be wealthy.

The problem is that the guys who come in after the original owner sells are paid even more, usually just to ruin what the original owner built. Most businesses aren't owned by their founders, or even people who care about the long-term health of the business, but rather short-term investors who are only looking to cash out as soon as possible. That mindset of wealth extraction is what's wrong with so much of business today.

@freemo @LouisIngenthron @admitsWrongIfProven A fully legalized drug trade would generate wealth and improve the standard of living, even for those with problems.

When compared to Smart Device manufacturers and their corruption of government. A legal drug trade is morally superior.

@LouisIngenthron @freemo Hm, seems legit. US not built on democracy sounds right.
Just sad we can't do any better, here. Got a nice constitution, it's just ignored all the time.

@LouisIngenthron @freemo It seems media purveys different storied. I guess we will never know, we were not there.

@admitsWrongIfProven

No no the media isnt far off... they changed the superdelegate rules on him and then stole the primary from him even though he technically won by the way it was traditionally counted it:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/25/politics/democrats-superdelegates-voting-changes/index.html

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