Serious question. How do these clownvoy yahoos have endless money and free time to sit in their cars doing jackshit for weeks at a time? https://pressprogress.ca/far-right-save-the-children-convoy-gathering-at-rural-base-camp-outside-ottawa/ #ottawa
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@kdorse I went there to try to learn about that.. but my god the obvious bias and lack of journalistic integrity I couldnt even get past the first few lines...
Who starts a "press" agency announcing their bias right int he name of the agency... Thats not news.
That said, I am sure whatever the fuck the GOP or alt-right is doing here is probably some pathetic nonsense... but i just cant read something written with no journalistic integrity, I want to form my own opinions, even if i might agree with yours when I do (and probably would if its GOP bs)
As i said i didnt read the article. There was so much bias in the first line i couldnt stomach it.
> You have a lot to say about an article you didn’t read.
No, I dont.. in fact I made quite clear I have nothing to say about the content of the article, particularly cause I couldnt get past the cringe to read it.. thats ALL I said... thats not a "lot" thats very little....
> PressProgress leans left, but they are reliable journalists
That is a contradiction.. you cant have a political lean in your journalism and still be a reliable journalist... that is contrary to journalistic integrity by its very nature. That said, it is the norm in journalism these days and with few exceptions there is very little journalism that lives up to the standards of that name.
> And there’s no bias in the first line of the article - just a straight reporting of facts, ugly as they are.
Sounds exactly like what someone would say who has bias and wants their bias confirmed... It was an expression of opinion... Not a presentation of facts.. facts would be the events themselves, who said what, what actions were taken, without an a preferred interpretation sold along with that. That is not at all what the tone of the first few lines convey.
Just for clarity my **opinion** is that the articles bias and the conclusions that leads to is likely one I agree with... I mean there is no shortage of conspiracy theorists in the right, so it is very likely an opinion I likely would agree with... It still has absolutely no place in a news article.
@freemo @MichaelPorter @kdorse I’m back. This will be long.
The main argument you’re making is that having a bias precludes producing responsible journalism. I don’t agree. Yes, PressProgress probably doesn’t publish a lot of anti-NDP articles, if any. So I won’t look to them for articles that are critical to the left. The great thing about the internet is that there are lots of other sources out there.
But if they publish a story that states facts, gives sources, and exposes information that is important to me (as this is, I live in the city that attracts these occupations), then that is valuable journalism.
(You’re taking a hard line for objectivity, but there is no such thing. We’re all hairless apes constructing our own realities out of extremely limited sensory data with a brain that likes to make up stories so we can find food and mates, and avoid danger.)
The rest of this seems to be differing opinions on the meaning of terms.
On the name of the organization, “PressProgess”: This is a progressive journalism outfit. The name fits. It’s not too boring. Try convincing any new organization trying to attract subscribers that they will succeed with an unexciting, straight-down-the-middle name and they will laugh you out of the boardroom. “18% Grey News! Not too dark, not too light. Perfect and featureless!”
@freemo @kdorse “Far-right” vs. “Anti-LGBT”: “Far-right” is a political position. “Anti-LGBT” is bigotry included within that position. These people are both.
This is a well-characterized group of people that have been organizing, in various forms, for several years now. Orgs like PressProgress have been covering them for most of that time. The membership is somewhat amorphous, and include many naive members that might not be aware that they are under the sway of far-right, alt-right, anti-vax, conservative Christian, etc. groups. But the links have been well established. Calling them far-right is not expressing a bias, it is describing the political stance of the group, and is accurate.
You would prefer that the author call them anti-LGBT, but this is only part of their platform. Besides, I’m sure a lot of them would claim that they *aren’t* anti-LGBT, just anti-groomer or anti-pedophile (they’re definitely anti-2SLGBTQQIA+). So it’s not as informative as calling them far-right.
“Pedophile conspiracy”: Accurate. How else do you characterize this?
“McDavid <one of the leaders> accuses Alberta’s Child Protective Services of running a ‘child trafficking ring’ and alleges the Government of Alberta is ‘colluding’ with insurance companies to produce child pornography.” (From the article linked to in the second paragraph)
Objecting to the phrasing “Pedophile conspiracy convoy” as ambiguous is just being nitpicky, or willfully obtuse. Ambiguous headlines are often a source of humour, but do you really think people *who read the article* will be confused? And you certainly don’t expect to get all the details in just the headline, I hope. That kinds of defeats the purpose of having an article below it.
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@freemo @kdorse Finally. You came in hard at an article that you hadn’t read, about a subject you are unfamiliar with (the Canadian state of affairs and the RW convoy movement here), expressing sentiments like “obvious bias and lack of journalistic integrity,” and somehow confusing these people with American Republicans. I think that’s the main source of the pushback you are getting. It looks foolish. It’s as if you were loudly proclaiming how stupid Star Wars must be–“Who wants to see a movie about stellar bodies fighting? They can’t even hold swords, they would melt!” I’m exaggerating, but I hope you see my point.
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@freemo @kdorse I’m done… On the subject of bias in media, you might be interested in this post I made a while back:
https://ottawa.place/@MichaelPorter/110781846702923142
@freemo @kdorse Ground News (the second link) is particularly entertaining - they present current stories from a number of sources, all rated according to bias on the political spectrum. If you pay for a subscription, there is a feature called “Blind Spot” that feeds you stories that your bias would normally have you avoid.
If by "I'm done" do you mean you are disengaging with the conversation (in which case I wont bother reading your posts since I dotn engage in one way conversations)... or do you simply mean your done with your series of comments and will await my response? If it is the later I will be happy to continue reading and comment if youd like.
@freemo @kdorse A little of both - The longer conversations tend to tax my attention abilities, especially if they split into a bunch of threads. But I think we’re getting close to the point where we’ve expressed everything we need to express… It will get repetitive at some point. I’l let you know when I’m bowing out 😊
One or two more things before betime…