not replying because its mastodon't and they probably blocked us already but

if you want less cars, bring back towncars :blobcatgooglynotlikethis:

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Apparently, this is impossible, or so the motor industry apologists tell me.... It banned cars from most of the city in 1999. Pontevedra's populati...

@icedquinn What are town cars?

In any case the real culprit with cars is poor urban planning, not the mere existence of cars. If we’re talking about the “not just bikes” perspective.

@icedquinn Maybe they work well in practice but I hate them in theory. All it takes is one crash with a car to stop up the whole line, right?

I’m more in favor of underground forms of public transit, like a metro system.

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We have trollies here. There are usually many paths of tracks. If a trolled gets stuck they can just by pass it by going down the next street... basically most roads have tracks embedded in them so they have almost as much freedom to divert as a car.

That said im not sure what advantage they are getting other than the cost of tires maybe

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@freemo @realcaseyrollins its pretty simple to operate a train. go, don't go, turn or don't. would imagine less fatigue on the drivers and much easier to automate as well.
First, one engine's mass can be amortized over multiple cars trained together. Also the rolling friction of a steel wheel on a steel rail is significantly lower than that of rubber tires on pavement. Finally your load capacity is much higher.

Most of the benefits are accrued at scale.

But, yes, the cost of tires — including the environmental costs of manufacturing and distribution and the labor costs of installation/replacement are significantly higher for rubber due to their much shorter operational lifespans.

Basically, the tradeoffs are all: higher capital investment (infrastructure and materials) vs. operational expenses and flexibility.

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Yes but those have trade offs too... a steel railed vehial for example is much slower to get moving due to the decreased friction and much harder to stop quickly for example.

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@freemo @58ee1ae59943750475900a48b5a9ba929f07b786004cc0d8703fe59d796968c1 @realcaseyrollins i'm not sure the stopping quickly bit matters much. cyclists and pedestrians just need to not loiter on the little tracks on the ground. it's the only place the train can go :neocat_woozy:

as opposed to cars where its open season on the bike lane.
@freemo @58ee1ae59943750475900a48b5a9ba929f07b786004cc0d8703fe59d796968c1 @realcaseyrollins i'm not sure streetcar to pedestrian accidents actually happen an appreciable amount.

they were decommissioned due to corporate conspiracies, not because of safety issues or obsoletion.

@icedquinn

They are probably a big enough issue to cause us to not use trollys... but it is still a valid consideration when evaluating the pros and cons.

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@freemo @58ee1ae59943750475900a48b5a9ba929f07b786004cc0d8703fe59d796968c1 @realcaseyrollins i really doubt it. i would be surprised if trolleys historical performance was worse than cars.

some places did close them more recently due to accidents--although that's largely because retards kept parking in front of the thing to milk insurance payments (for some reason the town decided all trolley crashes were the trolly's fault, even though IT LITERALLY ONLY GOES WHERE THE RAILS ARE :blobcatgooglynotlikethis:)
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