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@darth this comparison never made sense to me. Who cares when water freezes, unless your dealing specifically with water that seems like a horrible way to measure temperature for a human. As for the date scale.. the us males the most sense as it starts with the least number of cardinaly (month 12) and progresses in increasing cardinality.
the better argument for metric honestly is order of 10 prefixes, thats really the only solid argument for the metric system as superior, and its a damn good one.
I will just keep using "kilomile" and "centinch" and get the best of both wolds :)
@freemo whether we start with freezing water of freezing brine it's obvious that temperature scale scientists love to use something frozen as their preferred starting point. Not to mention that D.G. Fahrenheit is European which makes the whole thing even weirder.
But the rest of the stuff tingles my OCD.
@darth Neither freezing brine or freezing water makes sense as a reason to pick either system. They may be how the system is defined, but not necessarily what we consider in selecting it.
The fact is fareinheight coincides with human expiernce of temperature much better than celsius. F has 0 to 100 and anything outside of that range is more or less lethal to a human without protections and fits nicely within the human range of temp, unlike C which doesnt really align well at all.
Seems like what scientists want to use should be the least of our worries, it should be what is best suited for your average person, and I'd argue that is more so F than C.
@darth 60F to maybe 80F is the ideal comfort zone.. but chances are you wont die below 60F :)
@freemo I am pretty sensitive to cold, although this isn't really about me but about an average person, yeah?
Right now it's 2C outside and I have my radiator set to 23C and I'm sitting right next to it. I really need a ton of layers of clothes to be outside when it's near 0C, but the wind is by far the biggest nemesis at these temps. Not the temp itself.
@darth Sure i get that. But we are talking about survival here not preference.
Chances if its within 0 to 100C your not going to die.. outside of that range without proper protection or fluids you very well may.
@freemo the following isn't an argument for any scale, but I would really love to see people settle with just one.
@darth Obviously id support moving to metric despite my complains simply because its an easier path to standardization.
@freemo I have a lot more going on in my head regarding standardization. This may sound a bit extreme due to preserving various cultures, but I was born in Yugoslavia where I grew up with no computer understanding my language. Due to this my path to IT career was slightly harder since I started with computers at the age of 6, but started understanding English at the age of ... 10?
Nowadays there are zero videogames (actually one) that speak Croatian. Kids age antry to gaming is elevated for it,
@freemo ...I rushed my previous post, but the gist of it is that I would like to see Humans speak an universal language in the future.
We already have that, its called english :) ::ducks::
@freemo ducking is somewhat warranted :P but we still have an age limit of ... 10 I'd say where kids in Europe start to understand English properly. My first choice wouldn't be English, tho, but for the sake of easier path to standardization I would probably vote for it to become the primary language in Europe with secondary being the original one of that country. European people of culture will probably hate me if they stumble upon this post, lel.
@darth Thats because they bothered to teach you a less useful language first, they should have just started you out on english and left it there :)
::ducks harder::
@freemo do you know that EU has all publications (meant for EU citizens) written in ALL EU languages? When I first realized that I found it funny because I am not used to anything of world importance being written in Croatian. ::taps back:: you may get up now.
@darth I did not, and that sounds like a management nightmare.
@freemo I am lazy to find the universal rule right now, but here is just one example https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/about-site/language-policy/
That was the idea. I also understand like 90% of Croatian but the problem when speaking is that many words in Slavic languages have common roots but different meaning, which is confusing. E.g. in Croatian "thanks" is "hvala" but in Polish etc it's "dzięki", so projects like Slovio try to unify these divergent parts.
@freemo
Blagodarit’ is Russian for “to thank”, but composed of two roots recognised in other Slavic languages “blago” (good, e.g. in Polish “błogi”) and “dar” (gift). Slavio has a bit too much words mixed in from Russian for my taste, which in turn was heavily influenced by Asian languages such as Mongolian.
@kravietz
in the past couple of hours I have learned that Slovio is basically dead and only Interslavic makes sense to learn today.
@darth Ohhh, thanks a lot for that, I’ve been half-assedly following this thread thinking to myself “I should check what the relation to Interslavic is.”, but I was too lazy to actually do this.
Since I’m already writing this post… from my examinations of Interslavic I worry that it’s too similar to Polish, e.g. the videos I have seen were extremely easy to understand for me and the comments from Poles echoed this sentiment, while speakers of other slavic languages were… well, still enthusiastic, but maybe less so? Anyway, I would be grateful if you shared a Croatian perspective on e.g. this: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bZJa8NmeNiM. (Mostly on whether this specific video is comprehensible, less about the contents, unless you want to ofc.)
And since we are talking about international auxiliary languages I am contractually obliged to mention 
. @kravietz @freemo
@timorl
Watched the whole video and learned about yewtube along the way, lol.
Ja sam razumio oko 80% rečenoga, izgovorenoga u videu. Međutim razumio sam 100% iz konteksta, povezujući značenja. Tako da, premda video zvuči kao da čovjek priča na Poljskom ili Češkom (ne znam niti jedan), generalno funkcionira ono za što se reklamira. Čovjek je u pravu da nije moguće razumjeti 100% bez učenja.
BTW, razumiješ li ti što sam ja napisao?
@darth I think I got most of the meaning (I’m not sure I get the part about Polish and Czech – did you mean that they seem to be the closest to the Interslavic from the video?), although context was crucial and I had to read a couple parts more than once to get it. Is that Croatian? If so, I can mention I tried this in speech with a Croatian guy I met irl a while ago and it didn’t really work – neither of us understood the other, although after an explanation we both recognized some of the words used. I think the legibility effect is much easier to achieve in writing than in speech.
The natural legibility between some (slavic) languages is pretty interesting in itself, my (also Polish) wife had an experience with a Slovak person, where they did not know any languages in common, but communication worked once they just started each speaking their native tongue. @kravietz @freemo
@timorl
My answer is written in Croatian, yes. And yes, you understood my meaning as well about the video not sounding anything like Croatian. It "feels" like Polish or Czech. And I only say "OR" because I don't have an opportunity to listen to either so I'm not sure which one would be the closest to the one presented in video. But the his accent is very NOT-Croatian. Not Slovenian, and not Serbian.
Accent is a huge obstacle between speakers of different Slavic languages — some words you only recognize after a while, because in your accent they sound differently.
And there's plenty of semantic traps — like "szukać" in Polish vs Slovak/Czech or "uroda" in Polish vs Russian — you recognize the word, but its meaning is drastically different.
@freemo @darth
@darth I wouldnt really know how your culture or language would play into this at all.
@freemo ~60F is the minimum I can handle but I guess I agree about 100F