🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@pthenq1

I am not claiming either way which of Trump's actions resulted in the outcome we saw, if any. That would be a matter of debate, and there are plenty of things we can fault Trump with for sure (or any leader for that matter).

But the facts are facts, and at the end of the day when we look at the results, the USA did pretty ok.

@adrysdale @Space6host

@pthenq1

No one is saying heart disease is the same sort of disease as COVID, so your counterargument is irrelevant.

Again the point is Obesity is a comorbidity of COVID.. If you have Obesity you stand a **much** higher chance of dying than if you arent.

That fact means if you have a country with twice the number of obese people and covid is handled equally as competently as a country with half the number of obese people, then the medical facts in the situation guarantee the country with twice the number of obese people will see a significantly higher death rate.

Those are the facts, and we change the facts. Which is why you obviously can not use death rate to compare how two countries handle covid if those two countries have significantly different rates of comorbidity.

The fact that you are even questioning this fact, which should be obvious, is concerning.

@adrysdale @Space6host

@pthenq1

You have got to be kidding me.. Part of me thinks that response couldnt really be in earnest.

Its not about blame.. it is a simple fact that if you are obese you have a much much higher chance of dieing of this disease than someone who isnt when you catch it. That is well accepted medical fact. It isnt about blame.

Your response is like me saying "Did you know overweight people stand a higher chance of getting heart disease and dying early".. and you replying "How date you blame fat people for dying from heart disease, it is Trumps fault!"

LOL, just wow man. By the way I also want to point out **you** are the only one referring to them as fat and using degrading language here, so if anyone has stepped out of line in how they are treating overweight people it would be you.

@adrysdale @Space6host

@flottant Hey, great to have you here! Let me know if you have any questions.

@pthenq1

The virus hit hard no doubt. But US economy fared better than most and is recovering faster than most. Sadly americas obesity problem also meant we got hit pretty hard... But no denying the long term numbers has us on top compared to many nations and the trend / long term for us looks even better.

@adrysdale @Space6host

@adrysdale

Also no worries on not responding. I know the struggles! It has been a great conversation and agree or not I am happy it has remained respectful and that we both used facts and numbers to argue our perspective, not rhetoric. That is rare and enjoyable, especially when there is a difference of opinion to discuss. Nowadays it is all to rare to have a productive and enjoyable debate with a difference of opinion, so I always enjoy it when one comes around. So thanks as well.

@Space6host

@adrysdale

"It also helps prodect the countries vulnerable citizens too amongst other things."

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Except it doesnt. Eventually lockdowns end, and when they do the numbers spike as if there never was a lockdown in the first place.

So not only are the most vulnerable citizens exposed just like they would have with no lock down, but because the lockdown has slowed the time to reaching limited herd immunity you have exposed them **more so** not less. Their exposure post-lockdown is equivalent to what their exposure would have been with no lockdown, so its breakeven for that part, PLUS you have added exposure for them during the lockdown period which is on top of that (even if exposure is less during that period). So their overall exposure with lockdown is more than without.

@Space6host

@se7en

Yea I deleted and edited a few seconds after I first posted. Sometimes that causes that issue.

@Space6host @elia @adrysdale

@se7en

But yea the obvious fact he couldnt even be bothered to read a post before he disagreed with it and acted like a toddler int hrows of a tantrum with all the maturity he used in disagreeing with it.. Well yea, that alone tells me his opinion should not, and probably rarely does, hold any weight with anyone.

@Space6host @elia @adrysdale

@se7en

I agree, just saying I think you meant to comment on the post itself, but you didnt.

@Space6host @elia @adrysdale

@se7en

I think maybe you meant this as a reply on a post? its a dangling comment right now.

@Space6host @elia @adrysdale

@elia

Wow you didnt even bother to read what I said did you..

For starters I claimed that the lockdown varied a great deal from country to country and in each case the numbers were picked based on when restrictions mostly eased up. so already covered the fact that not **all** countries were mid june.

Second I also explicitly stated sweden did not have a full lockdown, I devoted a whole paragraph to it. I pointed out they had a much relaxed lock down and thus had better numbers than a lot of europe. The date for them I picked was based on when restrictions eased up.

Please if your going to actually make a fool of yourself and make personal attacks on someone and be an arrogant annoying little prick in the process, at least have the common sense to bother to read (assuming you are capable) before you start spewing a your 10 year old maturity all over the thread. I dont mind people who disagree, I even welcome it, but I do expect them to act like adults.

By the way the current infection count per country, and thus the infection percentage and rate of increase, were the official government numbers in every case, so not exactly disputed figures either.

@Space6host @adrysdale

@pendragon dude what is up with all the typos? I can barely read half your posts.

@wizzwizz4

I'm not sure I agree with that, most of what I saw in their congress hearings were congressmen questioning their lack of neutrality, not the other way around.

@pendragon

@wizzwizz4

Well there is little doubt that for facebook to become neutral it would be a significant change for them as a company.. But its not that they cant, its just a question of if they are willing, and probably not.

@pendragon

@cos Fixed, thank you. New document:

https://docs.joinmastodon.org/

@wizzwizz4

Yea Facebook really is all over the place. I just want them to get the fuck out of politics.. Get rid of fact checking, ban all political ads, call it a day.

@pendragon

@cos Thank you for pointing that ou. I'll take care of it.

@mur2501

Even wild cats in teh suburbs tend to be quite comfortable with the water. I would often see feral cats in the woods fishing in the water. They would usually find a tree branch and wait, but when they fell in they wouldnt seem too stressed and would sometimes even play in the water when not focused on food.

@stux

@mur2501

Actually normal felines love water too. The reason most are scared of it isnt an innate behavior, it is because they arent exposed to water as kittens. House cats who are exposed to water as kittens tend to love water and will seek it out and play in it just like big cats.

@stux