🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@admin What I meant is Biden is worth than Hillary, and Trump 2020 is worse than Trump 2016, at least based on how he handled himself at the debates.

@admin I didnt mind johnson too much, but he also wasnt particularly impressive with his qualifications. But he was a good moderate libertarian (the ones who go too far arent great), so I did like him.

With that said, I think Jo is a way better choice than johnson in terms of qualifications and even proposals. I was mostly speaking of the candidates we have in the dog and pony division of the show.

I can't believe this years election somehow happens to be between two worse candidates than last year.. how is that possible!

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@KatGoesWoof Not really sure.

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@pthenq1

Also deaths in europe due to covid is 225K not 190K according to official sources

USA death count is 209K..

So again while these arent valid numbers in the least, your numbers also arent accurate, and strictly speaking USA has less deaths. But since the numbers are invalid I'm really not going to make that argument anyway.

@adrysdale @Space6host

@pthenq1

As was mentioned in the outline, measuring the dead is not going to be a valid metric on a few fronts.

Most importantly you cant measure the death rate because the comorbidity distribution in the USA is significantly different than that in europe. so such a measure makes absolutely no sense.

Thats like saying a nursing home had 10 deaths in a month, and a kindergarten daycare had only 9 deaths in a month therefore the kindergarten daycare is doing better.

You cant use numbers we already covered as invalid to make an argument lest your argument also be invalid.

@adrysdale @Space6host

@elia

There is no selection bias here, the numbers arent different when you take the EU average. Also any bias on my part was an attempt to pick the countries that faired the best from covid not the worst. As you see in the toot I linked the only reason I included sweden at all is because someone claimed they faired better than most EQ countries. Likewise I picked Germany for the list because it has been consistently stated as one of the best EU countries in terms of covid response.

So while selecting countries at random may not be the best way to sample in the scientific sense, you the bias is in the other direction. The real numbers put europe even worse off than the countries I selected.

The only calculating I really had to do was in picking a day for the end of lockdown for each country.. other than that its just a matter of dividing the cases on those two days from official data, so not much calculating need be done, though I do agree I had to take that step. You are most welcome to try to repeat my work and do the same if you'd like and we can compare notes if you think the numbers arent accurate. It would certainly be far more productive than your original comment was.

@Space6host @se7en @adrysdale

@elia

The remark about sweden I made was as follows: "Sweden is a bit different only because they actually followed the pattern of the a bit USA and didnt have strict across the board lockdowns"

In this toot:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/104971517469152295

"You always spit out numbers and things as if you know better than anyone else" -- LOL, seriously, your going to refer to the fact that I provide actual numbers to back up my claim, and pull those numbers from official sources, me me acting like I know better than everyone else? Wow.

As for you not seeing my maturity, I am not surprised. It is usually the person resorting to name calling and tantrums who is going to have a hard time seeing the maturity in others. But just so we are clear, I will treat people with respect right up until the point they resort to personal attacks and no longer deserve that respect. I have no problem degrading you AFTER you jumped in with the name calling and disrespect. But prior to that point I have treated everyone in this conversation respectfully. In fact you are the only one who has behaved in a way that has lost the right to such respect, though an apology would get that respect back.

@Space6host @se7en @adrysdale

@olamundo The one you just linked to appears to work just fine, so that is clearly the example of the one that works.

The one that gave you the confirmation but doesnt appear, I assume, is the one that is supposed to contain the broken link. If it never actually showed up as being posted im kinda confused, sounds like the broken link doesnt show up at all?

@olamundo Can you link me to the two specific toots where you see those links, the ones you posted please.

@olamundo Ahh so your using some sort of command line tool then? Whats the name of the tool?

@pthenq1

that is completely ignorant to the situation, and the very sort of thinking that is why the USA is ahead of europe right now, that sort of thinking is why europe is seeing 5x to 85x increase in cases over the same time the USA has seen a 1/3rd reduction... its that failed logic right there that seems to be completely ignorant to the nature of epidemics and this virus in particular.

I'm just not sure if your willing to see why, or to understand why if someone explained it to you, since you seem very emotionally committed to your current thinking.

I dont mind getting into it, but again, the USA numbers right now blue europe out of the water as I've already went over, so that alone proves the point.

As has already been explained earlier in the thread, lockdowns are an emotional reaction, an attempt to lower the numbers int he short term while knowing full well the end result is more infected long-term. That is playing out to be true right now in the numbers, and it is somewhat trivial to understand why.

@adrysdale @Space6host

@olamundo yes but where did each of those links come from? What context did you see them used in.

@olamundo Can you give me an example of where you tend to see each type of link?

@pthenq1

No that wouldnt, that would do nothing **specific** to help overweight people. Such a policy would still have overweight people dying at a larger percentage than others, and such a policy would stillhave caused the USA to have significantly higher death rate than other countries that had equally effective policies in terms of number of cases.

Can you really not hear how absurd you sound right now? You are arguing that because more people die due to being overweight, even thought the USA had a lower overall death rate despite have 4x the obesity rate, and somehow that is still trumps fault that we have more obese people.

Look I welcome you to disagree with me, I always enjoy people who are willing to discuss issues, but you have to at least try to make some sense for this to be productive. It sounds like your so hell bent on the very idea USA might have done a good job your just saying anything, no matter how absurd, to try to justify that. Maybe take a minute and step back before commenting, I know you have to have better common sense than this honestly. Your arguments are off the deep end.

@adrysdale @Space6host

@pthenq1

Of course the policy should be specific to each country, thats not really relevant. The point is no policy in the world will save overweight people from dying of COVID, you cant just policy away the fact that your population is at extremely high risk.

As for obesity rate, the USA is 4x the obesity rate of most countries in europe.

As for the dead count, in terms of rate (adjusted for the population) most of europe has a worth death rate than the USA.

Sweden, Italy, Spain, UK, and belgium, all have higher death rates per 1000 people than the USA... So yea, sorry buddy but no, the USA is doing pretty damn good, better than most of europe.

@adrysdale @Space6host