🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@0x0f I can provide the precarious part, you just need to find a fiscally sound man to take care of the other half!

@bloodmasked

cool story

@hansw@mastodon.social

@Pat

My guess is that you are labouring under the myth of exponential technological growth tat you often hear spread around (started with the exponential growth in processor power myth).

In reality new invitation and sectors as a whole grow logarithmically, appearing exponential only in their early stages but ultimately becoming asymptotic. This has been proven true for almost any new technological domain you could think of from solar panels, to rockets, to processors.

@hansw@mastodon.social

@Pat

the rate of change isnt accelerating, it just appears that way because your in it. Every generation always makes tat claim. in fact by many measures its slowing down.

@hansw@mastodon.social

@bloodmasked

I'm not going to put an ounce of effort into writing a summary for a piece of shit know nothing who comes in on blast thinking everyone is wrong and stupid who clearly hasnt even read more than a snippet of the conversation. I am already putting in too much effort considering your low value to the conversation in reply this much.

Now if you feel like acting like a human being who has some worth and can contribute in a meaningful way to a conversation then I'd be more happy to have a grown-up conversation with you instead. Until then you can go play in the kiddie pool. I am done. You were amusing for about 3 seconds though. Shame I feel bad for you, people who usually act like this do it to feel important because they really feel inadequate all the time so acting a fool is the only way you seem important enough to get a response.. Must be a horrible way to live.

@hansw@mastodon.social

@Pat

Yes there is no doubt there will be changes, there already have been. But its not the scenario of automation taking over jobs resulting in some future world where need a UBI because no one can work or any other scenario..

The industrial resolution shifted jobs from being almost entirely menial labor into being more skilled, needing to know how to operate new tools and new equipment and those who couldn't were left in the dust.

This will be much the same, people will need to become educated and learn new skills and reach new heights of personal ability or else be left in the dust.. but the work will still be there, and more than enough of it, same as always.

@hansw@mastodon.social

@bloodmasked

Try and be a big girl now and read the whole thing so you can grow up and show everyone how big and smart youll become.

@hansw@mastodon.social

@bloodmasked

Oh good you know your colors AND a few basic words! I'm so proud of how fast your progressing.

@hansw@mastodon.social

@bloodmasked

Good job, you read the first few sentances... now show me the part where I explained the causation can be equally said to go in the other direction due toa. correlation chart, that is, having a population with a large unemployed low education population can also cause minimum wage to increase and that a causative chart **alone** can not show which direction the causation occurs.

Luckily we **do** have specific charts and tests that check for and determine the causative direction, so we can easily resolve that problem. It simply isnt addressed in that particular image.

But clearly you already know all that being so super smart and all.

@hansw@mastodon.social

@bloodmasked

Sure can, easy to do when someone is too stupid to even read something before having a tantrum about it. Pretty much anything I could write fits the description at that point

@hansw@mastodon.social

@bloodmasked

No they didnt, wow thanks for the brilliant advice yet again, your on a roll. If I didnt know how smart you were, and therefore I'm the one who is obviously wrong, I might have thought for a second there you were too clueless to understand what contradictions evn existed, especially when you didnt even read the stuff you decided to throw a tantrum over... but luckily we know your way too smart to even need to bother reading anything before shitting on it, so your good.

@hansw@mastodon.social

@bloodmasked

I mean, I literally spent several messages in thread explaining how the chart showed correlation and not causation and that is why certain conclusions could not be drawn from the chart alone... I know your way smarter than me and all, but even super smart people like you should try reading a conversation before they disagree with it... might make you look like an idiot. Luckily that didnt happen because of all your witty and insightful input just makes you look super smart, but one day that luck might run out, so might want to try reading things before you disagree with them.

@hansw@mastodon.social

@bloodmasked

Oh wow another brilliant comeback. MIT is missing one of their geniuses I see.

@hansw@mastodon.social @Pat

@bloodmasked

What a masterful and insightful argument you make... well guess im defeated then, you win. Darn, just too clever for me I guess.

@hansw@mastodon.social

@bloodmasked

What part are you struggling to comprehend?

@hansw@mastodon.social @Pat

@bloodmasked

It shows nothing of the sort, it isnt even a time-series graph so it cant by its very nature show anything to do with how employment has changed over time.

Sounds like you need to take your own advice about understanding something before you post.

@hansw@mastodon.social

@bloodmasked

I'm iterally a professional data scientist who gets paid by some of the top projects to work on their stuff... so yea, I think i know what the difference is thank you.

@hansw@mastodon.social

@Pat

I dont agree with the whole "technology is automating things and therefore the world is facing a crisis and we need a solution".. to me this is bore more out the tendency for humans to see the time they live in as special and extraordinary and that the technology of their time is like nothing before it that will change things in ways too scary too imagine... something that every generation has thought for thousands of years.

The truth is "automation" has always been around and has always been quite significant replacing jobs in huge swatchs generation after generation and what we are seeing now is literally no different or exceptional, it just feels that way because what is new is scary and strange. and its hard to see it as equivocal to the technologies of the past.

As an example lets go back to one of the earlier examples of automation, though we never think of it as such, plumbing.. before plumbing thousands/hundreds of years ago there were huge armies of people whose whole job it was to either dig hole after hole for latrines or to shovel human shit into a cart and haul it away in the case of open-air toilets. This was very common around castles where open air toilets were the norm. Then one day plumbing cam around (different times in different places) and now all these people out of jobs.

We can say the same for farms as new hoes and plows and gas motors were created, the loom which replaced hand sowing, they even had complete automated looms. Hell the entire industrial revolution was little more than massive automation .

In all of the countless cases throughout history of automation, all of which were as significant as the ones we see in the present, it didnt cause an unemployment crisis in fact it caused a boom in economies where new more skilled people were the norm and every still had a job (though not always the same jobs) generation after generation... this is no different

@hansw@mastodon.social

@sapphire @icedquinn

What you just did is called the logical fallacy of composition.. Because someone states (correctly) that an increase in wages will result in innovation to replace workers does **not** imply that all innovation must be driven by an increase wage of workers.

Fallacy of Composition

@clacke @52fighters