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@hansw@mastodon.social no, but minimum wage increase sures they loose BOTH jobs (thus the increase in umemployment)... thats the problem.. with low minimum wage there are enough jobs for people with no or little skills to get one, two, three jobs if they want.. raise minimum wage and now they have 0. Not helping anyone by doing that.

@hansw@mastodon.social anecdotal example.. what about the 10 people with no skills sweeping up hair that had to loose their jobs so that one hair dresser (who presumably actually has a profitable skill) can get a raise? How does that anecdote of a single hair dresser help the multiple people who are now homeless to get her that raise?

@hansw@mastodon.social But I never suggested they should take 2 jobs.I suggested the government should give them free education and help them out with welfare so they dont have to take 2 jobs and so it doesnt add pressure on them or society.

I also suggested that raising the minimum wage wouldnt do that, it would just cause them to loose both jobs (presuming they are under skilled) and be replaced with a worker of higher skill (if people were just going from 2 jobs to 1 then the chart i showed would not indicate the unemployment increase that it does).

@szopen sounds like a great use, and good luck! You are certainly welcome here. Let me know if you need anything.

@hansw@mastodon.social See the problem is your argument is just as economical as mine, except yours is based on economics that is contrary to the reality, and mine is based on the observed data...

You are arguing that minimum wage improves the economic situation and thus allows people to stay at home and care for their kids and community, thats an economic argument. But it ignores the fact that the economics directly disagree with this and that instead those people who are the poorest and the least capable of doing this are now out of a job, so it makes the reality you envision less possible, not more possible.

Mine to is based on economics and a similar vision, but based on the actual observed data. I recognize people loose their jobs that need it most when minimum wage increases, and since i want people to be happy and to be able to be at home more and take care of the family and community I do not want to see minimum wage increases that are shown to jeopardize that possibility.

@hansw@mastodon.social Again, not purely economical, but it does use the economics as a atter of fact.

We already established that minimum wage increase causes the poorest and least skilled member of a society to loose their job and be unemployed... therefore how does loosing your job and have no sense of income equate to the scenario you describe where a person is able to spend time at home educating their kids and being stress free?

You seem to be ignoring the economics, and acting like it doesnt exist and then fabricating a "human" element that is dependent on those very economics yet contrary to the facts of it.

@szopen It is permitted, though we do requre you be able to speak english or atleast willing to use a translator should a moderator need to talk to you.. If someone breaks the rules and can not understand a moderators warning that wont generally be accepted as an excuse. Otherwise, use whatever language you'd like.

@hansw@mastodon.social No its not, you are missing the point... if the person cant get a job in his current state, what in the world makes you think a higher minimum wage will get him a job? Your arguing about something that isnt related to my position or the topic.

What you are trying to do is argue that people like this should be looked after, but I never suggested they shouldnt. I merely pointed out minimum wage has no effect on accomplishing that for them.

@hansw@mastodon.social No, and you are saying this man is capable of working? by the way you describe his condition he falls into the category of people I mentioned who have a medical condition and are unable to work, is that not correct? Sounds like this example agrees with what I said doesnt disagree with it.

@hansw@mastodon.social

> but I think you underestimated the group of people who are disabled or having a health problems that does not allow them to work.

In what way either they have a health problem and cant work, or they have a health problem but can work anyway, and i therefore can learn a skill. is there some situation you can envision where someone can have a health issue, be perfectly capable of working and doing the job, but otherwise be incapable of learning a skill? I cant think of one.

@hansw@mastodon.social Yes but that isnt due to inability in most cases but unwillingness... Almost everyone, short of having some disease or medical condition is capable of learning some profitable skill, whether it is intellectual or a non-intellectual skill.

The people who remain are either disabled and cant work, have a mental illness and dont work because it overwhelms them, or are just lazy.

The first two people arent helped my minimum wage anyway, since they cant or wont work due to their illness so its a moot point.. As for the people who are explicitly lazy, thats on them and not an excuse to give them a free ride. The oppertunity is there for them when their situation causes them to be ready for it. In the meantime welfare will at least keep them in poor conditions but alive.

@bloodmasked It shows

@Demon Oh you mean ally and friendly towards liberals.. that makes some sense.

Is the expection that they act as an ally work in both ways, you also expect your users to be an ally to the right? Again just asking not judging.

@Demon you mention right win paraphilia and allies are welcome there, but its not clear if you feel right wingers themselves are welcome.. are they?

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