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@koherecoWatchdog Sadly thats how the world works this way.. republicans and democrats can never support the same things, even if they happen to agree on some of the same principles..

The same reason ACLU became a leftist organization simply by the support of the left even when the organization theselves has a good purpose, the NRA did the same, republicans supported it, liberals werent big on guns, so it quickly became 100% republican... its more due to republicans and democrats dont get along more than anything else.

I will happily support the ACLU, I will also happily support the NRA, at least until there are better options on either side.

@koherecoWatchdog fair, that wouldnt be anti-gun in that case.

@koherecoWatchdog Nothing extremist about the NRA in my view... they oppose restrictions on guns, thats supporting rights not extremism.

The only reasonable gun safety measures i could support would be anonymous licensingand/or training, but only if its free and paid for by the state. Something that I have never seen proposed by the left so i remain strongly against every non-sensical step the left has taken to erode personal gun rights.

@koherecoWatchdog I know what you said, and anti-gun control is already equivelant to anti-gun legislation... "controlling guns" is a fancy way of saying "lets ban certain types of guns"... and yes that absolutely needs to be opposed and I am behind the NRA on that.

@kino

Kinda hard to doubt what literally took places.. they never did anything to limit local taxes and local taxes were allowed and in place day one after the revolution. Only thing they didnt like was federal taxes where poor people taxes in one location would have the taxes used to help richer people in another location. They felt taxes should be used on the people being taxed. That much is obvious from the facts that were true since the very first day after the revolution on wards.

@dankmaximus @zleap

@koherecoWatchdog NRA has not stimulated anti-gun safety, thats nonsense. Though you are right that they are against anti-gun legislation, and im damn happy they are. I support the NRA and have been considering donating a sizable amount to them this year for the first time.

@koherecoWatchdog Yes even if we are talking self-defence.. there are many types of self defence.. against a robber or raper in the street you'd want a hand gun, against the governement or an invading force you'd want a accurate rifle, again a home intruder you would want a shot gun.

Liberally every single type of legal weapon today fills one of many very important self-defense roles.

@kino

There are so many levels of ignorance on that I dont know where to start...

1) they werent against taxes.. they were against taxing of people by a foreign government who used those taxes to benefit themselves rather than the people being taxed. This is why they encouraged taxing at a local level but discouraged it only at a federal level.. Taxes at a state level were employed very early on in US history

2) the idea that the founding fathers were wholly rich land owners is also another fiction. Some of course were, others weren't. John Adams was born mostly middle class, comfortable but not wealthy by any means. Ben Franklin was born to a soap and candle maker, one of the poorest professions at the time, he would have been lower class. Alexander Hamilton was born a bastard and barely received a basic education, he was poor.

@dankmaximus @zleap

@koherecoWatchdog Not really, thats just how the politicians frame it so they can get away with it, because if they said outright their goal was to abolish them they couldnt chip away at it bit by bit..

This is evidenced by the nonsensical way they try to erode our gun rights. For example you often hear them talk about assault rifles, which are entierly an imaginary category of guns that have no meaningful qualities what so ever. They use the AR-15 as the posterboy of what is an assault rifle and ignore the fact that it is one of the least powerful rifles on the market and is used primarily to hunt small game on farms that destroy crops.

It is an attempt to have a "catch all" category they can make illegal with no real definition on what it is, at least not that is useful, that then can be used to basically make widespread guns of all sorts illegal, none of which has any relevance to protecting anyone.

If they were truly concerned about preserving gun rights the **last** thing they would do is be trying to make guns of any kind illegal. Instead they would be proposing more sensical and effective things like gun training, but of course thats never their focus, which shows their hand.

@koherecoWatchdog Regardless, there is no need, nor is it effectual to use support for the ACLU as a proxy for who supports freedom of speech more.. We have far more direct ways to measure that, and the polls alone clearly show a pattern where republicans prioritize freedom of speech to a far greater extent than liberals.

@IsMailinatorBlocked Nice, I wonder just how far he takes it.

@koherecoWatchdog I am well aware of what they focus on. Again, support for an organization is not a proxy for showing what side supports a particular right.

@koherecoWatchdog Take the following polls as an example where republicans and democrats are asked about how strongly they would support free speech in their environment (their school, their city, their state, etc)... In every single poll republicans more strongly support freedom of speech as a matter of discourse in their environment than democrats:

@koherecoWatchdog thats poor logic. Citing an organization where freedom of speech is simply one among many things they support, and then using that agency as a proxy for determining if a political side is for free speech or not totally misses the fact that the ACLU is for a **lot** of other things too that republicans may not be for (not saying thats right).. its an indirect way to get at the point and muddies the water to the point that we are no longer talking about if the republicans are more free speech or not but rather if they are more pro-ACLU or not.

@dajbelshaw ahh you mean non-dis-anti-false-information... I can see why I was confused not.

@IsMailinatorBlocked if you can tell me where to get a software scuba tank instead of a hardware one im all ears :)

@dajbelshaw anti-disinformation... would that just be information? :)

Why are all my hobbies so damn expensive!

@anonymoose

I mean it was certainly overkill, no doubt about that. But in terms of what im concerned about its not very far up on the list for a single ceremony.. Now if he starts doing that all the time then we might have a problem.

@koherecoWatchdog

@koherecoWatchdog That is the view they want people to have, I do not feel it resembles reality.

Both sides try to be the "champions" of civil liberties in different ways, both sides tend to oppress civil liberties in different ways. Republicans certainly do a far better job at protecting our right to guns for self defense, that is true, but they are also much stronger on the first amendment too IMO. Meanwhile liberals seem to be more concerned with addressing the injustice against poor people where the right is more than ok to let them rot (and neither side actually does a good job at actually affecting it for the better but atleast the liberals WANT to help the poor, even if they tend to make matters worse with their policies).

So yea, sorry but not seeing the left as the champions of civil liberties they make themselves out to be.