🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@thor

Stomach acid doesnt break down protein, pepsin does.

Antibodies sometimes get broken down by pepsin, sometimes doesnt. Depending on if it has a cleave site. But often even the reduced antibodies still have a protective effect.

For example the IgG antibody has only one cleave site and thus after digestion you are left with what is called half-IgG. Despite being partially broken down this half-IgG still has some effectiveness as an antibody.

@icedquinn @dhfir

@thor

Thats not entierly true.. depends entirely on what it is we are discussing. antibodies are perfectly well tolerated. In fact you can cross species and cross-humal blood plasma just fine as long as there are no red blood cells in it, and that stuff is loaded with all sorts of antibodies.

@icedquinn @dhfir

@Pat Even relatively insoluble salts will dissolve away in large quanties of water....

@Pat You do realize solid salt dissolves in water right?

@thor

antibodies dont attack antibodies. Also the antibodies you get to a virus is the same person to person, its why we are able to test for them so easily.

@icedquinn @dhfir

@bluejay The scholarly sources are pretty transparent about this stuff... the news... well they are never transparent about anything anymore.

@thor You mean beyond just federating?

@thor That is the hallmark of the QOTO server :) happy to spread the magick.

@bluejay ADE has always been a small, but unacceptable risk. It is unlikely to crop up, but if it does it will be devastating.

@bluejay The typical vaccine approval process, start to finish, under FDA regulations is a 2 - 5 year process.

@Pat hijacking really isnt even my top concern. You can always have military protections to help with that.

@thor if the rest of the world had that mentality I'd say we are on the right track.. sadly it doesnt. Too much fear, not enough oibjective reasoning.

@Pat Again, incorrect. While an oil tanker is quite devestating it is no where near as bad as a single nuclear leak into the ocean.

Remember nuclear leaks result in deaths for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years into the future, perpetually year after year. An oil spill causes death, and its significant, but over a much shorter period of time. The total death toll is no where near as bad.

That said, yes, we should try to eliminate oil tankers as much as humanly possible by... wait for it... building in land nuclear plants.

Again for the 3rd time, arguing oil is worse is moot, no one is advocating oil.

@thor The way i see it the coronavirus is here to stay and vaccines are likely to not be a practical or safe solution long term.

In the end we will have to keep fighting it much like we keep fighting pnumonia and other diseases... Use the tools we have to help those who get it but otherwise go back to living our lives without being in fear.

@thor yes it can be.. but the vaccine becomes ineffective very quickly, as to be expected with coronaviruses. So if they just keep changing the mRNA then you'd need to get revaccinated like every three months. Which is both impractical and unsafe.

@thor Yup, thats as to be expected

@thor well then at least norway is handling it the correct way and recognizing its about ICU capacity as I keep saying.

Doesnt change the facts of my assertion though, that vaccines dont last long enough with this disease to be practical and likely never will.

@thor we will talk again when politicians expectations are squashed like they have been everywhere else in the world that opened up.