🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@Ottovonshitpost

I live half the year in the USA (Philadelphia) and half in the Netherlands. I am exposed to plenty of blacks from my philly home, and have friends who are black living in the Netherlands as well.

Nice try I guess.

@matrix

@NEETzsche

Muted due to adding nothing useful to the conversation, trolling, and being explicitly racist.

Not going to invest time reading posts from a person who adds no value and whose intention is to in fact subtract value from a conversation.

@matrix @ChristiJunior @Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum

@realcaseyrollins

That might come across a bit spammy and get you some mutes on its own. If your going to do it perhaps limited the view of such posts to being unlisted. This way people can see them if they want to, byt by default they wont federate unless your profile is explicitly brought up.

@altlink@mamot.fr

@ChristiJunior

"Yet you don't cite actual examples of current, on-going structural "racism" against blacks,"

Because I never claimed there was on-going structural racism towards blacks, so why would I need to demonstrate it.

In fact the only time i even used the word structural in this debate at all was to remind people that I didnt specify I was talking about structural racism and that I used the term "racism" without qualifiers intentionally so.

@matrix @Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum

@AR-15

Mute due to the maturity of a 6 year old. Thanks for playing.

@matrix @ChristiJunior

@ChristiJunior

The bias in the media to ignore racism towards whites and exagerate it or assume it when towards blacks is very real. I wont argue that.

That still doesnt contradict my underlying argument however. It just means the media, as usual, is so monumentally bias you cant use it to discern anything useful about the situation. You actually have to bother analyzing the data yourself. When I do that the fact remains that blacks are very much the target of racism (though not the only target) and that this effects a lot of the problem. Just because it is far less exaggerated than the media likes you to think doesnt suddenly mean it is non-existant either.

@matrix @Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum

@MaceDindu

No history of slavery? Seriously, you think the UK didnt engage in slavery? Hate to break it to you but all of europe engaged in slavery of black people including during the time slaves were common in america, give or take a few decades.

@matrix @ChristiJunior

@ChristiJunior

How so? 1) I never claimed blacks cant be or arent racist towards whites 2) not all race-on-other-race crime is automatically explicitly due to race and therefore a racist act.

If I shoot a black person in the face to steal his shoes then it isnt racism just because I'm white. If I do it simply because I hate back people then it is.

@matrix @Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum

@ChristiJunior

Never said that either. Just because there are plenty of external factors in no way implies there arent internal factors int he black communities which arent helping either.

@MaceDindu @matrix

@ChristiJunior

Nope, wrong on all points and not at all what I said.

I said that the legacy of oppression does have an effect, but I never said I could not provide any modern day examples of racism. I did however claim that racism is not reduced to rights, if I shoot you in the face simply because I hate black people, that is racism, and it is still racism even if that black person has all the same rights as me.

@matrix @Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum

@vril_oreilly

It seems clear you arent following the conversation. I already explained how direct contact is not needed. Now did I claim red neck whites constitutes the whole of those who are acting racist towards blacks.

@matrix

@racism_man

I never once said I was talking about systemic racism or institutionalized racism, that was your assumption. I am talking about racism as a whole.

I also never claimed that whites or red necks dont also experience racism.

Your just spewing assumptions about my position that have nothing to do with what I said.

I always find it funny how people try to take an argument, assume (usually incorrectly) that you beleive all the things the majority of people who make the same argument beleive, and then inject that into the conversation. You've already assumed, and are wrong, that just because I admit to the existance of racism and generational poverty that I must be a liberal or BLM and ascribe to all the usual talking points, which I dont.

Try assuming less and asking more.

@matrix @vril_oreilly

@MaceDindu

Because the UK and Canada do just as shitty a job addressing the problem as the USA does.

@matrix @ChristiJunior

@ChristiJunior

The thing about an argument being unfalsifiable is that it in no way implies it is any less true, it just means it hard to prove it is true.

That said I wouldn't say its unfalsifiable, but it is admittedly much harder to prove true than most things.

@matrix

@Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum

Its not about slavery. The overwhelming oppression of blacks lasted well beyond slavery. Even if you could argue direct racism is gone that isnt until very recent times at best (and you'd be wrong at even that).

@matrix @ChristiJunior

@vril_oreilly

Right, cause affirmitive action makes it impossible for people to treat blacks racist.

Ironically I disagree strongly with affirmative action and do agree with you it gives blacks advantage legally. Its existence however doesn't magically make the racism of hundreds of thousands of red neck hicks evaporate.

@matrix

@vril_oreilly

"American blacks have more rights under the law than Whites."

I dont recall saying anything about who has more rights than another.

@matrix

@ChristiJunior

Life skills are generational. When you make people slaves and then try to reverse course on that the lack of education will be passed down generation after generation.

To claim that they systemically have it easier, which I'm not saying is true but even if we assume it is, doesnt really make your case at all. Having it "easy" isnt going to reset the centuries of oppression whose effects will continue to be passed down for some time.

@matrix

@matrix Its almost like living in a society that treats you unfairly, makes it harder to be financially successful, and causes you to be likely to be born into a life of poverty might possibly influence a persons perpencity towards crime.... who wulda thunk.

@tripu

Not all stereotypes are created equal, and depending who is doign the portraying there may be different stereotypes at play.

prejudice stereo types might be things like blacks are uneducated or thugs, or whites all being racist or cant be "cool". On the other hand stereotypes of black people as rich music artists (rap, blues, etc) may be positive just as white people as executives might be positive.

Its not that stereotypes exist that is the problem, or that all stereotypes need to be erased. The issue is when we prefer the negative stereo types for a race over the positive ones disproportionately for one race vs another.

@Pat @bonifartius