🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@WreckageBrother

Welcome to mute for being a miserable human being who clearly choose language intended to make others upset and add no value otherwise. You truly are a piece of shit, enjoy the block list.

@bonifartius @Pat @trinsec @tripu

@Pat

Since our conversation I took note of this in the last film I watched which was planet of the apes, the tim burton version.

At first I thought it might be a counterexample as looking at the cast before watching it seemed to have a very racially diverse cast.

Once I watched it however I realized not a single human main character was a minority, every single one of them was white. In fact except for the token half-naked woman they were all white males specifically.

All those minorities I were seeing? They were the characters playing the apes. And while many of the supporting ape characters were minorities the two main character apes were even white people.

Its hard to have that much bias accidentally I'd say.

@tripu @bonifartius @trinsec

@zleap

for sure.

@b6hydra @stux @ern@mstdn.social

@zleap

Yes as a STEM instance the point oif inclusivity of fringe ideas is essentially for us to discuss and learn how to approach those subjects. We have to be able to ask questions even if those questions are uncomfortable.

But I'd say the same is true even of non-STEM instances. We need to get back to being okay with being uncomfortable and not to equate uncomfortable with immoral.

@b6hydra @stux @ern@mstdn.social

@zleap

Agreed, I think the approach we have here is the best middle ground we could hope for. Of course people will misunderstand and cause drama, thats inevitable. We can just try to explain the why and do the best we can to be ethical and inclusive at the same time. A challenge yes, but I think here at QOTO we are an example of that being possible.

@b6hydra @stux @ern@mstdn.social

@zleap

I mean sure, the truely extremist and oppressive end of the spectrum of feminists I'm sure would be offended by anything that depicts sexuality. While im all for the fediverse giving them the power to exist and be able to block the vast majority of servers that allow this I think it would be counter productive to try and care about the presence of sexuality in the fediverse in an attempt to appeal to a radicalized extremist group that represents a small portion of the population.

@b6hydra @stux @ern@mstdn.social

@zleap

Yes that is certainly true. But to my point you will get that result on either end of the spectrum. So damned if you try to censor everyone, damned if you try to give free speech.

If you are damned no matter what you might as well go the route of empowerment and give both sides what they want.

@b6hydra @stux @ern@mstdn.social

@zleap

I think you may be confusing hentai (sexual cartoons) with lolicon (sexual cartoons of small chested tiny characters that may or may not imply they are children). Anime and hentai have nothing culturally or legally questionable about it. Lolicon is another matter for obvious reasons.

Lolicon aside sexual cartoons in japanese style in general is not something I see at odds with #MeToo. Porn, in this case cartoon porn, but still just porn, is not something that will make women feel any less safe nor is it, anything that is psychologically hurtful. Now if your talking specifically about cartoons depicting rape of women, then yea, that can leave a negative impression for sure.

@b6hydra @stux @ern@mstdn.social

@zleap

To some extent that goes both ways.

A community that treats things like the term "nigga" when used in a positive way, or japanese anime porn (assuming it is of adults and doesnt depict rape), will leave a sour taste in peoples mouth who find such things acceptable and normal and in general dont want a politically correct atmosphere that, to them, border lines on oppression of expression.

A black person whos persona includes the use of "nigga" as a positive way when talking to his friends, if all of a sudden is disparaged for using the term will cause many of the intercity blacks with a similar culture to be dismayed, and may even come across as racism against them. Same with japanese, if their culture is labeled as offensive over cartoons they may very well be offended by this.

Its a double edged sword, trying to control the entire community to present as one end or the other of the spectrum can be equally harmful and off putting. Many people leave facebook because they find the control unacceptable and the political correctness daunting. Still others leave because facebook doesnt ban everything they find remotely objectionable. No one will be happy no matter what side is taken.

The solution for me has always been exactly what mastodon gives you. You pick the server that represents your ideals when it comes to censorship and let that happen organically. It shouldnt be about controlling what content is or isnt ont he fediverse, simply controlling whether its in your sphere of influence or not. Everyone being able to see the type of environment they want to see is the only way everyone is happy.

The issue of course is if the casual passerby will understand fediverse enough to know that is what the fediverse offers, rather than just seeing it was monolithic entity.

@b6hydra @stux @ern@mstdn.social

@zleap

Its a tricky word. Obviously when used with the intent to be insulting it is deplorable. But when the black community itself promoting and accepting the use of the word as a positive identifier used in a positive way in music and everyday conversation, then it simply isnt that straight forward. Ultimately for obvious reasons they, as a community, determine if we embrace or reject the word and what the correct context, if any may be. Generally most (thought not all) seem to find it a perfectly acceptable casual word to us when 1) ending in -a and 2) not used explicitly as a pejorative.

That said while I personally dont make use of the word, simply because I dont tend to adopt much slang in general, it is socially more or less acceptable given the context here.

@b6hydra @stux @ern@mstdn.social

@realcaseyrollins Most shots I dont take hit exactly where I want them too.

I'm not perfect, so sure a few miss, but far fromt he 100% figure :)

@Hyolobrika Putting aside the link you shared, as I agree his conclusions arent consistent with what we observe, at least not in a cause-effect sort of way lets discuss your main point.

I both agree and disagree with where you are going. On the one hand I do agree that simply measuring GDP and using it as the metric of success of an economy is not correct. Though I disagree on saying that it is an incorrect measure overall, I simply feel it is one among several metrics that all need to be considered and in isolation wont really tell you much.

I think the prime example of how GDP alone isnt a good measure is because where and how those goods get used means everything. If a country puts all of its man power into building tanks that they promptly just dump into the middle of the ocean as they come off the supply line then the GDP would be the total value of all the tanks produced. But those tanks in no way represent a healthy economy or an improvement to the quality of living of people in that country.

Now you could say that while doing the above may not be beneficial it still demonstrates the manufacturing capability of the country, this is true, but even then it doesnt imply much of anything useful. For example what if the country just took a massive loan far beyond its ability to pay back and used all that money to build the tank factories and tanks in the first place. Well since the country isnt using that loan in a productive way then when the loan's term is over then they will just be in more dept than the value of their entire production capabilities and would ultimately need to sell all those factories to pay it back. So in the end even their temporary ability to manufacture billions worth of tanks a year is not an indication of a healthy economy and a economy with a GDP of 1/10th that would in the long term be in a better place.

The above applies to rate of change of GDP as much as GDP itself.

That said it is still a valid and valuable point int he equation. It just must be evaluated against a countries debt, as well as its store of wealth (GDP is the amount of wealth produced in a year but tells you nothing about the total wealth of a country). Lastly we need to ask if "healthy" economy is what we care about at all in a given context and if instead we might not in fact mean "average quality of life" which we often relate to healthy economies, and there is a valid link between them despite being very different measures of different things.

@realcaseyrollins

@hd

I will have to check this out as an option too, thanks.

@herag @swiley

Why are smorgas' always served on boards. I feel like we are severely limiting our smorgas possibilities.