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@LouisIngenthron

it isnt about subjective vs objective.. its about responsible due dilligance vs pitchforks and gossip... You cant replace due dillagnace by just averaging a bunch of people from a mob with pitchforks.

@admitsWrongIfProven @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn

@freemo @LouisIngenthron @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn To hammer this down further:
I come from not twitter, but another platform where insults are forbidden, but being mean is not something that moderators would react to.
Accordingly, i built some neural pathways to accomodate. My mode of operation was "i can troll the trolls". Whoever is nice, nice. Whoever not, let's see who wins.
So i was looking around here and thought "i hear negative things, i should troll the trolls". I have hence understood that this does not make sense in this environment. Even just being mean is so extraordinary that i do not need to. And that includes the users from other instances i have encountered.

I even was sure someone was arguing in bad faith one time, but after i said i wanted to disengage that was honoured.

This is a place that has no physical location, but a great appeal.

@LouisIngenthron

That works fine for email systems where the admins are relatively impartial... doesnt work so well in a fediverse where people block you if you dont use their block list... We are seeing now just how easy to game the system is, you have tons of good actor instances getting targeted because of dumb reasons.

@admitsWrongIfProven @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn

@stux Did ya hear, apparently their talking about everywhere.. most recently on a podcast :)

@admitsWrongIfProven

The one thing people love most about QOTO it is our friendly nature where we treat people like a friend at a coffee shop, not an enemy to debate.. lets hope the can bring that feeling to the wider fediverse.

@LouisIngenthron @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn

@LouisIngenthron @derickflorian @freemo @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn
I would worry about their unknowing users strung along.

1. Make an instance that promotes positive values
2. Acquire many users in line with those values
3. Act against those values
4. Oops. All blocked.

I think a lot of people that would be welcome here would be blocked. That is why we should absolutely go forth with freemos initiative. Not to protect qoto, but to promote human communication.

It was always a thing, people breaking down communications to advance nefarious goals. I think we could even make a better world, if we could protect good faith communication from trolls.

@freemo @ufoi

On the one hand, I am very encouraged that a group of instance administrators who aren't cultivating, as a German politician would put it, "mimosenhaftes Beledigtsein"
[mimosa-like hypersensitivity], are finding a collective voice and speaking up.

On the other hand,
I see a lot of energy for this initiative originating from a strong feeling of unfair censorship based on arbitrary and capricious rules
(it's a strong motivation to get involved here for ),
but I see a tendency to try and define yet another set of rules, with the tendency to go too much into detail.

A translation of the Starfleet Prime Directive into a Categorical Imperative would be:

"Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time prevent that your will, or anyone else's will, should become a universal law of the United Federation of Instances."

@tatzelbrumm

The big difference for me is I am not thinking of this as some universal truth or law... im thinking about it more in terms of "What are the principles vast majority of reasonable people will agree to.. Something that an overwhelming majority will all hear and go "Yea that seems reasonable to federate with".

Morality should play a roll in that, of course. But I do feel we can find something that is both moral and satisfies the majority of instances.

@ufoi

@joaopinheiro

I agree, and its why I think the stands such a good chance of succeeding and counter that... the central idea is dialog, evidence, and due process.

@toxomat @shelenn @ceoln

United Federation of Instances was recently discussed on a russian podcast. I cant understand it myself but someone told me about it.

The UFoI is really taking off, and its been what, 2 or 3 days now! This is very exciting.

xxivproduction.video/c/regex/v

@ufoi

@lewdthewides

While there are certainly some parallels, its its own thing, from scratch. It has a core set of ethics, and in that sense is similar... but it also has, more importantly, a due process, and membership process, and a garuntee members inside the UFoI federate.

So it is very much a different beast in other ways..

@Arcana @enigmatico @shebang @cee

@Arcana

Well im starting to compile names for the seed servers for the UFoI and I'd be honored if either of you like to be a part... in the meantime if you are interested jump in on the conversation as we draft the bylaws and I start writing the webpage.

@enigmatico @shebang @cee

@cee

Somewhat, but takes it much futher... Me and several system and admins and users have been working on it past few days and it is drawing in a lot of interest...

Here you can read the proposal we have been working on:

ufoi.gitlab.io/constitution/un

Check out the repo here to see discussions (under issues):

gitlab.com/ufoi/constitution/-

See this post about getting in touch with the group in general.

qoto.org/@freemo/1094332980218

@shebang

@cee I have seen you on quite a few block lists, which is hilarious cause you are probably the nicest person I know on the fedi.

The United Federation of Instances project already has close to 40 overall contibutors, 13 Merge Requests, 16 topics being disussed, and closed to 50 overall comments on topics.... The is really taking off!

gitlab.com/ufoi/constitution

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