🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@lucifargundam

Fine for me too. Is it still happening? Logs look normal.

@AncientGood

@mzan

Seems like overkill.. just make all bathrooms unisex, and if people arer worried make sure the stalls are well built to avoid people peeking.

@SteelFolk

@hasmis I wish i had the time.

@fourmajor That user or instance likely blocks either you or the qoto server.

What is your favorite transactional and declarative Linux distro?

#linux #nixos #nix #guix

@mzan

It isnt even ethically possible int he binary cases... Someone looks like a guy andtries to enter the female bathroom, they claim to be a woman... How do determine if they are or not? Short of checking their genitals you'd have no real way to know, which isnt ethical. So really even in the most straight forward of cases there is no way you can ethically resolve this short of giving up the whole idea of seperating people in the first place.

@SteelFolk

@skells there is no doubt the trans movement is asking for some profound changes in how we look at things. I am not claiming all those suggestions are valid either. In this case im just talking about bathrooms and i think in regard to that issue its fairly clear cut what the answer is. As for other areas of the trans debate we can address their merrit seperately.

@skells

Difficult to prove != unethical to prove.

There are ple ty if difficukt things to prove that people will get away with but still worth making illegal or discouraged in society. But that isnt what we are talking about, we are talking about things where the only way to prove them are fundementally unethical. The only way to prove what genitals a person has is to have their genitals inspectes. This isnt hard to prove it is in fact very easy to prove, its just unethical to do so.

@skells which is why social norms dont polkce thoughts they police actions... we say to say please and thank you. All of the acts you describe matter because of the actions, what a person is thinking is irrelevant so long as their actions are ethical.

Going back to bathrooms, we again are talking about actions (using a bathroom, checking sex). What a person is thinking isnt particularly relevant to what we are discussing.

@skells requiring mental reflection wasnt the criteria bythe way.. sure it may require that but that is irrelevant to the point as we are talki g about things that cant be ethically identified, not things that require mental reflection.

@skells all of those are quite easy to identify without violating soneone ethically. I can see if someone considers another persons perspective based on their action and interaction. I can physically see them washing their hands, i can observe how they drive. I can see watch how a person interacts online... a person using a toilet though i have no way to ethically distinguish a persons sex.

@georgetakei good luck, i wish i was close enough to stop by

@skells still waiting to hear an example of a cultural norm that is impossible to ethically identify yet beneficial to adopt. Personally i cant think of one, which makes it fairly clear cut if not.

@skells And I am saying that a cultural norm whiuch is impossible to ethically enforce does **not** have value and in fact causes harm as people will try to enforce it anyway causing harm.

@skells So now people need a DNA exam to figure out what bathroom their allowed to go in? Or are we checking their genitals?

Unisex bathrooms have been common for a long time now with no issues, yes its a strawman to even make this an issue.

@skells yes it is, so comparing something provable (maritial affairs) with sonething unprovable (your gender/sex), at least in a moral way, is pointless. So not sure why you brought it up.

@realcaseyrollins

not sure, corrupted data stream, wire popped out?

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@realcaseyrollins

You mean how could audio cut out?

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