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@realcaseyrollins

It was quite a while ago... I'd have to dig it up... it started a bit of a fuss for a hot minute there.

@stux

@realcaseyrollins

I mean Tony was advocating violence at one point... So no surprise stux seemed to publicly distance himself really. Smart move on his part I'd say.

@stux

@realcaseyrollins

He banned my instance from democracy town, not from stux's instance. But Stux confronted him on it after he left. Not for banning, he can do what he wants on his instance, but for blatantly lying about the reason.

@stux

@realcaseyrollins

I doubt it was due to Tony Stark.. .that guy put some lies on their ban of QOTO at one point and stux defended me and confronted him about it...

I'd be really surprised if he is still friendly with a POS like whoever runs the tony account. In fact he seemed pretty glad tony left his server and moved to his own due to his rather radical opinions. That said I dont want to speak for stux, this is just my interpretation of how he responded to him in the past.

@stux

@realcaseyrollins

He is a good guy, so I hope he doesnt take this the wrong way, but he is also very anti-confrontation, to a fault.. So **if** he did legit suspend you it wouldnt surprise me if he didnt talk to you about it or explain it just to avoid the confrontation.

Im not sure I blame him so much for that character trait as I do the fediverse. He wants to please people and the fediverse is so hyper judgmental the only way he can do that is avoiding talking about stuff like this in the open. So he might be reluctant to comment.

@stux

@realcaseyrollins

What did he suspend you for? In the past he has seemed pretty fair, very well could have been one of his moderators or something? Did he suspend the whole server or just you?

@stux

@0xch4n those all have equivelants in Nix

@lucifargundam

Fine for me too. Is it still happening? Logs look normal.

@AncientGood

@mzan

Seems like overkill.. just make all bathrooms unisex, and if people arer worried make sure the stalls are well built to avoid people peeking.

@SteelFolk

@hasmis I wish i had the time.

@fourmajor That user or instance likely blocks either you or the qoto server.

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@mzan

It isnt even ethically possible int he binary cases... Someone looks like a guy andtries to enter the female bathroom, they claim to be a woman... How do determine if they are or not? Short of checking their genitals you'd have no real way to know, which isnt ethical. So really even in the most straight forward of cases there is no way you can ethically resolve this short of giving up the whole idea of seperating people in the first place.

@SteelFolk

@skells there is no doubt the trans movement is asking for some profound changes in how we look at things. I am not claiming all those suggestions are valid either. In this case im just talking about bathrooms and i think in regard to that issue its fairly clear cut what the answer is. As for other areas of the trans debate we can address their merrit seperately.

@skells

Difficult to prove != unethical to prove.

There are ple ty if difficukt things to prove that people will get away with but still worth making illegal or discouraged in society. But that isnt what we are talking about, we are talking about things where the only way to prove them are fundementally unethical. The only way to prove what genitals a person has is to have their genitals inspectes. This isnt hard to prove it is in fact very easy to prove, its just unethical to do so.

@skells which is why social norms dont polkce thoughts they police actions... we say to say please and thank you. All of the acts you describe matter because of the actions, what a person is thinking is irrelevant so long as their actions are ethical.

Going back to bathrooms, we again are talking about actions (using a bathroom, checking sex). What a person is thinking isnt particularly relevant to what we are discussing.

@skells requiring mental reflection wasnt the criteria bythe way.. sure it may require that but that is irrelevant to the point as we are talki g about things that cant be ethically identified, not things that require mental reflection.

@skells all of those are quite easy to identify without violating soneone ethically. I can see if someone considers another persons perspective based on their action and interaction. I can physically see them washing their hands, i can observe how they drive. I can see watch how a person interacts online... a person using a toilet though i have no way to ethically distinguish a persons sex.