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@EvilK

Interesting, good to note.

@trinsec

@realcaseyrollins

Sounds like it will encourage parents to stop having kids because kids are too much of a liability... I can approve this idea on those grounds alone :)

@TwistedEagle So you are trying to bring awareness to the fact that Queer people are usually brutally bullied and therefore results in many mental health issues amongst Queer groups?

@kinyutaka

> Democrats "aren't doing anything" because Republicans won't let them.

Ahh the old "everything is republicans fault, especially the things that the democrats do"... yea sorry but thats a lie people tell themselves because they drank the kool-aid

> And Republicans are actively trying to make things worse by passing laws that make it easy for teens to get guns.

Yup, and while that isnt solving school shootings, it also isnt making it worse.. at least according to the numbers.. higher access to guns (when properly analyzed using valid techniques like granger causality analysis) doesnt actually result in more murders of children, in fact, the numbers show it reduces it.

I do of course understand the common sense reaction to "banning guns will fix the problem".. but sadly common sense often fails us, and in this situation it most surely does.

@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei

@trinsec I actually dont know how long the warning is that you "feel" it on average.. I was in a lightening strike once (not actually hit but a few feet away) and I felt it about a minute before hand, maybe a bit more.

@J12t My kind of party, count me in!

@SpaceLifeForm

>It is still an apple and oranges comparison.

It is absolutely an apples and orange comparison. As I pointed out this is about showing how astronomically rare this events are.. it is also about showing that with lightening striking kids being twice as likely that we should prioritize preventing that over preventing school shootings.. yet thats not what we do, you hear about school shootings every day and the outrage yet no one is outraged we arent doing anything about all the kids gettign struck by lightening.

> These MCIs are preventable, but we really have no control over thunderstorms at all.
>
> We can make the odds better.

Thunderstorms arent preventable but lightening strikes absolutely are. In fact its much cheaper, easier, and straightforward to prevent lightening strikes than it is to prevent school shootings.

1) you can feel a lightening strike coming minutes before hand. You can respond to this by taking certain actions (running away, lying down, seeking shelter). Better education on this would help prevent

2) More, taller, or better grounding lightening rods are well proven to prevent lightening strikes. Investing in lightening rod infrastructure would go a long way to reduce these numbers significantly and is far easier and straight forward than any solutions we could come up with to prevent school shootings. Not to mention cheaper.

@peterdrake

Absolutely.. which is also a much more involv4ed topic.

For starters I have absolutely no desire to prevent means of suicide. While I do wish to prevent the desire to commit suicide with better mental health and better home environments I am of the opinion that a person has a right to bodily autonomy and that includes suicide. As tragic as it is every person has a right to commit suicide and while we do want to prevent the numbers through mental health what we dont want to do is take away the means of suicide, because in the end that is everyones sacred right IMO (And yes i know many will disagree).

Now when we talk about murder thats even more questionable because any serious and object statistical analysis (which would have to use granger causality or a similar causality test) very clearly shows that banning or restricting access to guns almost always results in an increase in overall murder and violent crimes. So while murder in all forms, including with guns, should be prevented, if we actually try to ban or restrict guns you are doing the exact opposite of your intent.

@trinsec

@SpaceLifeForm That was **not** what I said... I said the chance of a child being struck by lightening in a day... I did not say the lightening strike would happen while they were indoors... could happen on the way to school, on the way home, during recess, or any other time of the day.

@strawd Yup, it sure would be. But the chance of even just being at a school during a school shooting is a very rare occurance.. more common sure, but still safe to assert the fact that it is an extremely rare event no matter how you slice it for any child to be directly negativly effected by a school shooting.

@lawnikky

"sesnative eyes".. I hope this isnt a red flag that your coming in with the intent ot have a bad-faith discussion and generally be a rude asshate.. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe im over reading this, but, try to not waste mytime wiht toxic passivce aggressive shit please

Now to answer your question... sadly, thats not what the numbers show. Sadly, very few people are educated enough or dig deep enough, or for that matter objective enough, to really understand this. Especially when its a topic with a hell of a lot of bias and misinformation.

But the truth is, there is a very consistent pattern when you apply proper statistical analysis (read: granger causality test and other tests that are appropriate). In the overwhelming majority of cases we see time and time again, banning a type of gun, or guns more generally almost always results in a significant increase in homicide and crime rates. Rates that never really recover to a point where there is an improvement, even 20 years later.

While I understand the reasoning, may even seem like common sense, but as a research scientist myself I go with the numbers even if it disagrees with my assumptions.

@DoesntExist @georgetakei

@trinsec

> For one, lightning 'just happens'. Best you can do is to educate people not to stand below trees during lightning storms and other good advice.

Not true, lightening is absolutely preventable. First, you will "feel" lightening about to strike minutes before hand, if people are taught this they can run to shelter or take other relevant steps, like lying down. They can also avoid tall objects.,

We can also take preventative measures in the form of lightening rods and even invest money in improving lightening rod technology.

If I had to guess it is probably cheaper and easier to prvent people getting struck by lightening than it would be to prevent school shootings.

> For two, shootings can and should be preventable. There are many ways possible towards that goal, and not much action's been taken so far if I have to believe the media. Just endless debates.

Well both are preventable (and i listed some ways above).. both being preventable we should invest in the infrastructure that is most common first.

> Just because it happens less than lightning strikes, you shouldn't do much effort against it? While it could possibly be prevented to begin with?

No one said you shouldnt do anything about it. The point is we should put much less **priority** on addressing it than we do other more common forms of injury.

Also there is a point where an event is so rare that its statistical noise. You can never eliminate something to 0, but you can reduce it. At a certain point it is redued enough that its not a concern. There is probably one person every hundred years that dies in a bird attack, do we bother trying to prevent bird attacks or do we just accept it is rare enough that it isnt really common enough to be a priority.

@TheOldGuy Ahhh thought you were in kyiv... good man, thanks.

@J12t Can we have a "I hate socializing" event before th meet and greet where all the introverts sit miserably alone at a table in preperation for the meet and greet please?

@stevesilberman Slaughter houses? Kids are more than twice as likely to get struck by lightening than to die in a school shooting in any given day... slaughterhouse is a bit overdramatic.

Look we should be mourning this, we should be sad, and we should recognize the tragedy..

But we also need to recognize these tragedies are very rare, more rare than getting struck by lightening. Lets not paint isomething that isso vanishingly rare as if its some slughterhouse.. that doesnt do anything justice and makes it very hard to find solutions if we cant be honest about the problems.

@realcaseyrollins

I mean, its your taste buds fault for not tasting harder really... you are the victim here!

@Hyolobrika@berserker.town @thatguyoverthere