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So my airbnb has a "No durian in the apartment" rule... Shoukd be easy to guess what country im in ;)

@admitsWrongIfProven you act like the peaks are done and over... after a few years obviously its harder to see the long term effects without more rigerous analysis, partly because over long periods other effects will overwhelm the violence rates.. but the positive effects on lowering violence from having access to guns. Or increaing it when you ban it, is certainly an ongoing net positive/negative, not a one off gain.

@admitsWrongIfProven because it works both ways.. outlawing guns csuse violence tonspike, and generslly never improves to anpoint it isnbetter than before thr ban, so therenis no benefit...

Similarly when you deregulate guns you will see a dip in violence. So there is a huge benefit fornderegulating guns to reduce violence.

@admitsWrongIfProven in much of europe you can, and at least i get a vote to change the laws too which is the important part in thisnconvo

@admitsWrongIfProven i am rarely living in the usa, i live mostly in europe and thr middle east. So chances are you might not be sonfar away.

@admitsWrongIfProven wait what... no... in saying we shouldnt look at killings and make a decision in an attempt to reduxe killing thst is know to in fact increase the number of killings instead... it seems straightforward to me. Dont do things that cause kore people to be killed, rsther than fewer, the only metric that matters.

@admitsWrongIfProven in the meantime the evidence is so overwhelming it shoukd be obvious with even a casual glance.. look up rape, violent crime, and homicide rates for various countries and just mark the date gun bans were instituted.

Attached is england and whales

Worth noting a single graph means very little. People can come upnwith explanations that might explain any one graph.. but when you notoce thisnpattern is consistent across a great many countries and states that enact gun restrictions (jamaica, detroit, england, whales, almost everywhere) its hard to deny.

@admitsWrongIfProven i am on my phone so i cant look it up. Ive posted examples from 6 or more countries/ststes in the past. Ill find it when im at my computer.

@admitsWrongIfProven Acyually other countries that mansged to grt ridnof school shootings did sonwith gun bans. In the vast majority of countries that did so there were usually huge spikes in rape and violent crimes following the ban... a prime example of what not to do.

@kinyutaka

Now your just being dramatic. I literally mentioned the exact solution several tines... free and easy access to mental health (psychiatry and medication). That is by far the easiest solution, and a real solution.

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@admitsWrongIfProven banning or restricting guns, usually.

@admitsWrongIfProven the numbers i gave can eszily be proven/cited

@kinyutaka

No not too far, self defeating, huge difference.

No i do t want attempted solutions that make things worse (like many but not all barriers to getting guns)... i do want the actual solutions implemented like free access to psychiatrkc health for everyone

@jorge_sds@mastodon.world @marq@toot.community @Litzz11 @georgetakei

@admitsWrongIfProven and yes the shootings are preventable. The key is preventing them without causing a huge increase in rape and other violent crimes as you do it... ban guns you replace one murdered kid with 10000 raped and/or murdered adult... focus on mental health access and you can solve it for real potentially.

@admitsWrongIfProven no you misread. It has to do with schools and can be prevented with better infrastucture investment... but as i said like school shootings its so astronimically rare its not where our attention should be in either case.

@kinyutaka

Too far no, but a disaster when you think about it. As you know based on your statement mental health is indeed where we need to focus. However punishing people for seeing a doctor and effectively abolishing doctor patirnt confidentiality has the opposite effect and keeps people from seeking trestment.

What we need is not to punish thrm but also give them easy and free access to mental health, with all the privacy in tact

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@kinyutaka

No i am saying that we should address the problem by ensuring our solutions have a net positive effect on overall crine

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@kinyutaka

Partial bans arent effective, so the fact that its "common sense" but still makes things worse is exsctly the problem... democrats appeal to the unedilucated common sense, which iften makes it worse, rather than stick to the numbers and foing what works... why? Because what works isnt what the democrats keep demanding and thet care far more about votes than fixing the problem.

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@kinyutaka

There are far easier ways to kill 10 people in a minute than either a knife or a gun. You could mix up a poison trivially and kill people en masse rather easily

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