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@JonKramer sure they would, thry let random people of any age buy heavy artillary at the time.

@freemo right on. And before someone posts the "well regulated militia" argument, the militia at that time was the able-bodied male population. The 2a is definitely about the general public being armed and trained to repel either invasion or tyranny.

If the Federal government wanted to take the 2a seriously, they should be expanding the Civilian Marksmanship Program and offering free rifle lessons in high school.

@mike805 The well regulated militia is clearly an exemplary clause and not a qualifying clause

Seems pretty clear to me, want to place limits on it, get support for a new amendment.

@admitsWrongIfProven Given the blatent ignorance to the data and a "my bias first, evidence second" I expect that response.

@admitsWrongIfProven You realize this exact example is what disproved **your** data not mine... you suggested correlation when you said "look at all the countries that ban guns where violence is less than the USA... what you were selling is exactly what this image is showing, yes its bad data science.

Furthermore if you recall I **specifically** provided data that showed granger causality test, and NOT correlation as you depict here. It is exactly the sort of analysis we do to help combat the falacy your trying to claim...

Man its ironic thats what you shared.

@admitsWrongIfProven It proves exactly what you asked for.. evidence that across multiple countries and states we see huge rises in violent crimes that always seems to follow a ban in guns... it shows, rather strongly, that banning guns means people die... it proves something quite important to this conversation.

@admitsWrongIfProven Every single point I made had literal evidence attached to it.. only thing left to do is show you the 5 other countries I mentioned i had data from rather than the one country i already shared. Incomming...

@admitsWrongIfProven I thought we already addressed this...

Talking about "firearm related death" in a discussion about banning firearms isthe intellectual equivelance of anti-vaxxers talking about "vaccine deaths" in a discussion about banning vaccines... It is intellectually dishonest and intentionally avoids the actual issue (if guns are a net goo dor a net bad)..

Lets not forget when an antivaxxer says "If you would ban vaccines you would have 0 vaccine related deaths"... i mean yea, but its still an intellectually dishonest argument, true or not.

@mapto Still funny, i mean, inappropriate and all, i dont mind in the least if he gets in trouble for it.. but I am amused at his idiocy all the same.

@georgetakei Agreed, time for him to resign.

Hell at this point lets get all of congress to resign, start over.

Lol someone turned twitter logo into the Doge logo... I am amused.

@admitsWrongIfProven Thankfully the overwhelming majority of gun users are very safety conscious and good gun disciplin is often a focus.

@admitsWrongIfProven No, we should give everyone the right to arm themselves and protect themselves while we do the impossible (and likely multigenerational) task of eliminating rape and violence... but until we do, people have a right to protect themselves.

@admitsWrongIfProven How ya figure. I think your applying less reaskn here than bias. I think it shoukd be obvious why a gun can protect a rape victim and is ultimately a power equalizer, especially considering how cops will likely not be on the scene for most crimes.

Takes some pretty impressive mental gymnastics to ignore the idea of guns as a power-equalizing protection

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