🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@trinsec

You added mayo to couscous..... as a sauce...

My god sometimes your so dutch it disgusts me :)

@kjr

@johnabs

I mean, that is a fine argument for the need for a good formal syntax.. but it hardly needs to be of the lisp flavor.

@lupyuen

@TruthSandwich Except thats not what FDR said.. As was clearly stated by FDR, the purpose of the goverynment is to address the issues beyond the power of men and women to meet as individuals... Again that is a small govt claim it isnt a no-govt claim... the whole idea about small govt is yes we DO need the government for a bunch of things, but those things should be limited to the things individual men and women cant accomplish on their own.

@TruthSandwich No one is talking about the term "modern liberalism"... so not sure why you bring that up. Id argue modern liberalism is a subset of neoliberalism.. that is all modern liberalism is neoliberalism but not all neoliberals historically are part of modern liberalism...

Regardless bringing in a different term doesnt help much and im not sure the point.

@TruthSandwich Yuip, I dont see anything in that quote contradictory to what I said. For starters FDR's opinions dont represent the democrats overall, so lets be clear we are dealing iwth one persons historic opinion to begin with, and not the actions of the party.

Second even if we take his opinion as representative of the actions and opinions of the democrats of the time, it still isnt a contradiction to what I said... I didnt say they were for no government. The general mentality was "use government where it applies, but smaller is better all else being equal", or at least, that was the sentiment that was common growing up, and the sentiment I hear when I see this quote. Which lines up just fine with what I said.

@kjr

Apparently like a god damn heathen!

@trinsec

@TruthSandwich not sure what conservaitves have to do with anything... As for FDR begin a protoypical modern liberal... no. that doesnt seem even remotely accurate when i compare them side by side.

@TruthSandwich nah as someone who literally witnessed the shift thats just flat out wrong.. while the shift probably started before I was born I have seen a very clear shift from democrats being strongly small government in my youth to being big govt now. So I have seen a very clear shift from classic to neo personally that is hard to deny.. it gets a little cloudier when i look historical so its hard for me to put the line somewhere, and even then since the shift is over time the line would be a bit arbitrary... but regardless it is quite obvious to me that the more intot he past I go (in my life time) the closer to classically liberal the democrats acted.

@TruthSandwich Not really, as I said the line where democrats shifted from classically liberal to neoliberal is debatable but for many that line started at reagan and continued... for others that line began much later... Its a matter of opinion when you feel the democrat party shifted from a focus on personal freedom to collective freedoms

@TruthSandwich no in america liberal is used interchangable for classical liberal and neoliberal... Because of this ambiguity I use more descriptive adjectives and refer to libertarian types as "classically liberal" and democrats as "neoliberal", and apply the same for similar left vs right wing parties around the world where applicable.

This isnt just my personal preference but very common choice of language to be more descriptive among a large subgroup.. but yes most just use liberal and lump it all together.

@TruthSandwich I disagree, though the exact line where neoliberals start is debatable for sure... but no most all of modern liberals are neoliberals around the world, classically liberal is closer to libertarian where they want to maximize personal freedoms, neoliberals seek to maximize collective freedoms.

@sj_zero

I think you just discovered the one legitimate reason ever to turn on search-safe feature :)

@freepeoplesfreepress

@eberhofer

Well im not claiming obama did bad on unemployment, nor am i disagreeing with the fact that some of his success for the economy overall bled into the rest of the world. All Im saying is that when it comes tot he unemployment rate that Trump achieved, that was very much his doing, and only looks like a good thing on the surface, it was NOT a good choice. But bad as it was it did get him a legitimate record unemployment rate that was his doing.. he just screwed everyone over to get that number in other ways....

But it would be inaccurate to say that record number was due to obama is the point, it was due to Trump..

@DeanObeidallah

@ech

Respect can mean a lot of things.. but I see no reason why all opinion must be respected by any definition of respect I know.

@post @trinsec @khird @vixxo @feld

@sj_zero

Text messaging and email would be entierly limited to dick pics at that point. the good thing is, since you know everything, you only send it to people who actually want them :)

@freepeoplesfreepress

@LouisIngenthron

No a public utility is different.. a public utility is just any company at all whose goods/services are availible for purchase to the general public. We are **not** talking about public utilitieis here at all.

What you are probably thinking of is common carriers, and yes we **are** talkingt about something **related** to common carriers, but not a common carrier itself, similar, but we are discussing a common **utility** not a common **carrier**... common means the same in both though,, and "commons" in US law have certain protections, and those differ based ont he type of commons we are talking about, common carriers have different protection than common land (such as sidewalks), and different protection still than common utilities.

@freepeoplesfreepress

@ar I never said anything of the case.. just pointing out your personal expiernce doesnt seem to be a compelling data point.

@LouisIngenthron

common utilities arent defined by if they are roads or endpoints.. they apply to physical spaces to and tons of ideas... a common utility is anything that provides a utility (a common need such as communications) and is common to the community.. So facebeek as a common means of communication is a common utility. The fact that it exists on layer7 rather than layer 1/0 is not all that relevant.

@freepeoplesfreepress

@StefanThinks You forgot to link to the GoFundMe