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Jeffrey Phillips Freeman
Innovator & Entrepreneur in Machine Learning, Evolutionary Computing & Big Data. Avid SCUBA diver, Open-source developer, HAM radio operator, astrophotographer, and anything nerdy.
Born and raised in Philadelphia, PA, USA, currently living in Utrecht, Netherlands, USA, and Thailand. Was also living in Israel, but left.
Pronouns: Sir / Mister
(Above pronouns are not intended to mock, i will respect any persons pronouns and only wish pronouns to show respect be used with me as well. These are called neopronouns, see an example of the word "frog" used as a neopronoun here: http://tinyurl.com/44hhej89 )
A proud member of the Penobscot Native American tribe, as well as a Mayflower passenger descendant. I sometimes post about my genealogical history.
My stance on various issues:
Education: Free to PhD, tax paid
Abortion: Protected, tax paid, limited time-frame
Welfare: Yes, no one should starve
UBI: No, use welfare
Racism: is real
Guns: Shall not be infringed
LGBT+/minorities: Support
Pronouns: Will respect
Trump: Moron, evil
Biden: Senile, racist
Police: ACAB
Drugs: Fully legal, no prescriptions needed
GPG/PGP Fingerprint: 8B23 64CD 2403 6DCB 7531 01D0 052D DA8E 0506 CBCE
Joined Jul 2018
If the argument is people who self-identify as white, regardless of if they are actually white or not, are likely to be fascist, I could see that as probably being true.
I'd imagine many people who are white, but dont support fascism, are also less likely to identify with any color and likely are the people who are more likely to check "unspecified"
I think his issue isnt just that the gun shops themselves support the NRA, but also that the gun manufacturers support the NRA.
He could custom-build though. You can buy the parts from third-parties and assemble yourself. Lots of gun people do that.
Its not the definition of fascist that is so much the problem (perhaps a bit)... at least not for me. I'd tend to agree if you support Trump you support fascism.. the bigger issue was the comment about "white people" and how to even define who is white or not.
I think it was the part about white people being overwhelmingly fascist... that would be hard to quantify (im not even sure how to objectively measure someones whiteness).. let alone probably not true even if we take a loose definition.
Given where your interests lie I suspect you might find it interesting.
@koherecoWatchdog @LouisIngenthron @kctipton @andytiedye
I should also point out, to confuse things more, I see two forms of extremism at play... there is extremism of views,a nd extermism of application. A peaceful levelheaded communist willing to discuss philosophy in good faith might have an extremism of views, but is not particularly extreme in their application... meanwhile a more moderate left person who will block you if you have any deviation of opinion, or might be violent and cause riots in support of hillary might not have the most extreme views but clearly extreme in their application.
So to muddy the waters more I have a tendency to lump these two together when i talk about "far-left", which may not be the best for communication purposes.
@TruthSandwich I just double checked.. you are correct, the numbers I was looking at was from before the primaries were over.
All examples I would agree with here. My avoidance of giving examples is largely just because i expect this to be followed by a toxic shit storm, blocks, and just general fruitlessness.... I hope im wrong.
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@andytiedye @freemo @kctipton Freemo may not want to give out examples, but I'll wade into that muck. I'm a left-leaning-centrist with libertarian tendencies, so most of what I define as "far left" are good ideas at their core, but taken to the extreme.
A good example is gun control. Most Americans (including most gun owners) are in favor of reasonable gun control. The far left takes this to the extreme, though, and advocates outright banning of guns, usually based on arbitrary factors like what shape or color they are.
A second, quick example would be the whole "forgive student loans" thing. That was entirely driven by the far left in this country.
Another example is environmentally friendly cars. Most people are for electric vehicle subsidies, and improving charger infrastructure... to an extent. But California's attempt to ban non-electric vehicles (while its grid still runs more than 50% on natural gas, and the state faces widespread power shortages!) is endemic of far-left thinking, putting the cart before the horse.
Finally, you have free speech. Both the far left and the far right threaten free speech, but from opposite directions. The far right wants to ban books about homosexuality, while the far left wants the state to punish "disinformation" and charge Trump with incitement over nonsense (a lefty account I saw recently suggested he should be indicted for using the word "fight" on Truth Social, despite the fact that Dems use that term to refer to 'electoral fights' just as often).
So, yeah, I have to agree with Freemo that it's one of those things where, if you can't see it, it might be because you're in the middle of it.
@TruthSandwich Without counting super delegates the breakdown of delegates was:
Hillary: 829
Bernie: 1048
Bernie clearly had majority. Wth super delegates however it was:
Hillary: 1298
Bernie: 1076
@Sioctan Ewww thats just wrong, elves arent supposed to be teal, wtf!
@TruthSandwich Its also worth pointing out a large factor keeping the radicals out of the DNC is superdelegates that are contrary to the popular vote... we saw it with bernie, he had something like 60% of the votes of the people at the primaries but superdelegates were able to override the popular vote and get hillary in instead.
We literally have enough proof to see that radicals are the majority just on the point that Bernie had majority support in the primaries.
@TruthSandwich No polling shows about 20% of democrats actually vote in primaries... with the far-left being probably about 60% - 70% of the left, and specifically the ones unlikely to participate in primaries, the numbers seem to add up just fine.
@TruthSandwich Nah, the parties arent the people... a very small minority vote in the DNC primaries, and the overwhelming bulk of the left that are far-left are exactly the ones not participating in the primaries.
@TruthSandwich I expected you to think so... you are partly wrong.. To be clear I am not talking about the parties, I am talking about the people. But even then the DNC has become very "extremist" even if ideologically only some of its members are far-left... but since im talking about the people, not the parties, that is largely a moot point.
@JonKramer @andytiedye @kctipton
There are quite a few aspects of what constitutes "far-left"... not all far-left is the same.. sure communism is fairly far left but its not that simple... there is a long checklist of things that exist somewhere on the left and there is even much wiggle room within the tip of the spectrum. Maybe, for example your a communist who beleives in gun rights, and therefore show perhaps a few extreme views but mixed along the spectrum. You also dont have to be full on communist to be far left, europe is still capitalist and not even socialist for example, pro socialism would be pretty far left in european terms too (though keep in mind im not talking about the casual use of socialism as a term. but actual socialism, which doesnt exist in almost any modern governments).
All he has to do is delay long enough to become president again and then he is immune again...
Me: Most of the right and left in america are far left and right extremists.
Them: No we arent, you are extremist for saying that ::proceeds to block you for having a opinion::
Do these people even see the glorious irony in their response?
@freemo your post is fantastical.
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Jeffrey Phillips Freeman
Innovator & Entrepreneur in Machine Learning, Evolutionary Computing & Big Data. Avid SCUBA diver, Open-source developer, HAM radio operator, astrophotographer, and anything nerdy.
Born and raised in Philadelphia, PA, USA, currently living in Utrecht, Netherlands, USA, and Thailand. Was also living in Israel, but left.
Pronouns: Sir / Mister
(Above pronouns are not intended to mock, i will respect any persons pronouns and only wish pronouns to show respect be used with me as well. These are called neopronouns, see an example of the word "frog" used as a neopronoun here: http://tinyurl.com/44hhej89 )
A proud member of the Penobscot Native American tribe, as well as a Mayflower passenger descendant. I sometimes post about my genealogical history.
My stance on various issues:
Education: Free to PhD, tax paid
Abortion: Protected, tax paid, limited time-frame
Welfare: Yes, no one should starve
UBI: No, use welfare
Racism: is real
Guns: Shall not be infringed
LGBT+/minorities: Support
Pronouns: Will respect
Trump: Moron, evil
Biden: Senile, racist
Police: ACAB
Drugs: Fully legal, no prescriptions needed
GPG/PGP Fingerprint: 8B23 64CD 2403 6DCB 7531 01D0 052D DA8E 0506 CBCE
Joined Jul 2018
