🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@TruthSandwich

Nah, thats just your bubble.. the overwhelming majority of people I talk to use the term liberal to mean classically liberal, and use some other term for DNC type liberalism (either neoliberal or progressive depending who you talk to)... now keep in mind most people arent that aware of the technical usage of terms either, so its a bit of a mess int hat regard.

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There are certainly some pretty hallmark fascist things he has done.. military parades are sterotypical fascism for examples... I think the issue is the other way around, fascism can be pretty bad, and while i dont support it, there are milder forms of fascism (like military parades).

Now I am pretty sure I can say Trump leads more towards the fascism side of the spectrum.. but whether he is "mildly" fascist or extremely fascist leaves some room for debate.

@TruthSandwich

@TruthSandwich

#3 is only correct when you ignore the huge percentage of people who dont vote at all... once you factor that in a majority of whites did **not** vote and support Trump.

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Even liberal is a messy term... classiclly liberal (as in personal freedoms).. no the DNC is very anti-liberal in that sense... liberal in the sense of focusing on social programs, yea in that form of the word liberal they do have that tendency (and is the reason i myself lean left)... sadly they are generally fairly self-destructive in how they execute that to the point of doing more harm than good on execution.

@TruthSandwich

@TruthSandwich

I dont expect any amount of logic to convince you... but generally (this is from wikipedia) the properties of fascism are:

dictatorial leader
centralized autocracy
militarism
forcible suppression of opposition

I see the left expressing these things in spades, at least from the far-left which dominates the left scene (I myself am centrist-left and wouldnt include myself in this, or any of the small-minority centrist-lefts)

dictorial leader is clear, the DNC left routinely expresses the idea that any choice other than them is unacceptable, and supporting even third-party candidates is usually meat with aggressive abuse from many on the left.

centralized autocracy - this goes hand in hand with the last point

militarism - Absolutely, both sides have done little to nothing to reduce our overwhelming waste on military funding.

forcible suppress of opposition - this one is the most evident for me. We have seen it in the violent riots at universities where right-wing people intend to speak to the point of damaging equipment or threatening lives all to suppress opposition. Also botht he right and the left actively suppress third-parties.

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@TruthSandwich

Calling yourself a thing doesnt make you that thing, likewise saying your not a thing doesnt make you not that thing... The left behave as fascists behave, ergo they are fascist regardless of what they claim they are.

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I dont think people who support trump support him **because** he is fascist. But I do think that if you voted for trump you voted for a person who clearly has fascist tendencies...

Now that said I would say the same about voting democrat, equally so if you vote democrat you are voting for fascism, just of a different flavor.

Supporting either party right now is a support for fascism in my eyes.

@TruthSandwich

@TruthSandwich

If the argument is people who self-identify as white, regardless of if they are actually white or not, are likely to be fascist, I could see that as probably being true.

I'd imagine many people who are white, but dont support fascism, are also less likely to identify with any color and likely are the people who are more likely to check "unspecified"

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@TruthSandwich

Its not the definition of fascist that is so much the problem (perhaps a bit)... at least not for me. I'd tend to agree if you support Trump you support fascism.. the bigger issue was the comment about "white people" and how to even define who is white or not.

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@TruthSandwich

I think it was the part about white people being overwhelmingly fascist... that would be hard to quantify (im not even sure how to objectively measure someones whiteness).. let alone probably not true even if we take a loose definition.

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@TruthSandwich I just double checked.. you are correct, the numbers I was looking at was from before the primaries were over.

@LouisIngenthron

All examples I would agree with here. My avoidance of giving examples is largely just because i expect this to be followed by a toxic shit storm, blocks, and just general fruitlessness.... I hope im wrong.

@andytiedye @kctipton

@TruthSandwich Without counting super delegates the breakdown of delegates was:

Hillary: 829
Bernie: 1048

Bernie clearly had majority. Wth super delegates however it was:

Hillary: 1298
Bernie: 1076