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@amiserabilist @SirPaulCouture @Wolven

If you have any points to be made from the article please feel free to make them and cite the article. Otherwise i dont have the bandwidth.

@thebeehammer @jerry

And im arguing not only didnt it help, it mad3 matters worse, as any solution that a photocopy of a racists rule book would... you dont fix discrimination by creating more discrimination... what people shoukd have done is when they had enough of a vote tonpass a law they shoukd have created a real solution, which woukd have had more support not less, and we woukdnt be in this situation.

There was never a compelling argument to pass an unjust as a stop gap since a just one woukd have had more support, not less, AA has been opposed dtrongly since the start and for very valid reasons. A solution without valid criticism woukd have passed easier and probably lasted.

@tatzelbrumm their bites are the least of my worries ;)

@fencepost @just_a_frog @jerry

I stated exactly what im in favor of... please quote tbe part where i said that so i can explain it further to you.

@cienmilojos

No the only concern is not people complaining. Tbe concern is it is structured in an injust way using racist-like principles. The fact that people complain means it is likely not to hold up as a law, and ultimately be nullified as it just was. Which means its not just unjust, but also will not serve as a protection for long due to its unconstitutional nature.

Aa was never a sokution, thats also the problem. I woukd argue people woukd complain a lot less about real solutions that dont soubd like a racists playbook than they ever will AA. Thats the problem with a lot the left does, the intention is good but its so poorly structured, to the point of being unjust, that their psuedosolutions never stick around for long since they rely on a thin transient majority rather than comrpomise (the republicans dont do this much better mind you)

@just_a_frog @jerry

@pthenq1 @jerry

Affirmative action is not for african-americans. It is for all minorities and native americans, like myself, benefit from it far more than most. Not to mention my people have been murdered and abused in the greatest numbers of any minority in the USA.

@cienmilojos @just_a_frog @jerry

Yup and i do realize the difficukty in solving it. But as we can see from the reversal of AA implementing a fundementally unjust attempt at a solution doesnt have acceptance either.

Id suggest a real solution without the moral issues AA had woukd stand a much better chance of passing and remaining enforce than half assed solutions with real gapping moral holes people can and will complain about.

@thebeehammer @jerry

Agreed without affrimative action, and even with it, minorities are in a bad and unfair place. Removing more programs would potentially make that worse. Which is why i said despite supporting reversing AA we woukd desperately need to take appropriate actions to address the problem and find something that can be effective without the same issues.

@pthenq1 @jerry

Im not a white man as ive explained many times.

@cienmilojos @jerry

Considering i am a person of native american decent who comes from a si gke parent in poverty i am exactly the target audience. In fact i benefit far more than most minorities.

And while it clearly isnt working, more importantly it is unjust and immoral approach that passes on the wrong sort of values.

@AGTMADCAT @just_a_frog @jerry

No not affrimitive action because it the criteria to get help isnt race but poverty. The fact that minorities tend to be in poverty more often will result in something similar that favors minorities, but it would give equal treatment to a poor person regardless of race.

@just_a_frog

Solving racism isnt simple, nor is there going to be one simple solution to it (which is why AA isnt a solution either, it tries to be)... but some examples?

Better access to early education (free tutors, better funding of inner city public schools, free access to extra curricular schooling).

Better support for those who are in poverty in terms of healthcare, food and shelter.

Better access to mental health care (this is just all around food for families and people).

Better training opportunity for their parents (like free education and trade school) so fewer minority families are in poverty to begin with and thus have better opportunities.

Just to name a few....

@jerry

@drrrrrck @jerry

I think we agree for sure that the **intent** was to counter racism, and in that sense it is noble. But in practice it basically says "Lets apply racist techniques in a way that benefits minorities and hurts others and then we are even"... using racist tactics to solve racism will never work.

@jerry Getting rid of affirmitive action was a good thing. If we want any policy it should be one where admissions are equal and fair to everyone based on merits and not race.

That isnt to say there isnt a racism issue, there is... affirmitive action was just always the wrong way to address it and needed to die for a long time now.

@Wolven

Disagreement is always welcome, your opinion is noted and appreciated. Thanks for sharing.

You too have a wonderful day.

@SirPaulCouture @Wolven

> Said on the largest free information sharing platform in human history.

Information is not education, particularly when said information is unreliable and requires research, which requires education to do so effectively (flat earthers are a prime example of information without education).

> What we didn't waste money on is handing out a piece of parchment signed by someone who has no real world experience creating anything of human value.

I could care less about diplomas and degrees. I'd be more than happy to reform the way we look at school and have people take courses piecemeal and int he end have employers evaluate their skills, not a piece of paper.

@Wolven I really need to look into this affirmative action ruling to get an opinion on it... Obviously it **sounds** like a good thing, as affirmative action was never a good way to solve the very real racism problem we have. But my fear is that better solution arent going to replace it so it still leaves a gapping problem.

Striking down the loan forgiveness stuff makes sense, we should have always been giving free education to future generations, but forcing loan company's to pay other peoples bills for an otherwise legitimate agreement, no thats just wrong.

@mk You came in on my thread wasting my time... so save us both the effort and be a moron somewhere else, thanks.