🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@TruthSandwich

A typo that is hardly relelvant.

@alecui

@ambihelical

Anyone who looks into the speeches Biden has said on the topic makes it VERY clear his interest was not looking out for the black people. So regardless his past, his statements, make it quite clear his opinion came from a place of racism and not wanting his white child to be in school with black kids..

His exact words, for example:

"Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle"

He clearly was worried about his white child being in a mixed race school... his concerns werent for the black kids.

@alecui

@TruthSandwich

I have a very explicitly stated hatred for the GOP.. yes it bothers me that they are a propaganda mill.

I also have a fairly explicit hatred for the democrat party.. it also bothers me that they are a propaganda mill for their agenda.

I have no love for either party.

@alecui

@TruthSandwich

Repeating the intellectually dishonest tactic of word play and using a different definition of "principles" isnt going to get you anywhere. I called it out the first time you did it.

For the record we dont disagree on the fact that the GOP is morally corrupt btw.

@alecui

@TruthSandwich

whatever you gotta tell yourself I guess.

@alecui

@TruthSandwich

Thats just linguistically wrong because your using a different definition of principles as word play, which is a intellectually dishonest tactic

@alecui

@TruthSandwich

Of course you would. When you cant argue the merit itself you resort to guilt be association... common tactic of those who loose an argument.

@alecui

@TruthSandwich

> The goal isn't choice

Now your back on goals again.. my definition of left and right has nothing to do with goals. A principle is left or right based on what it is, not the goal the wielder intends for it.

@alecui

@TruthSandwich

Nope, that isnt the case.. i mean some are smarter than me, some arent. But in the case of Biden, nope, they screwed up big time sadly.

This is very obvious because I talk to black voters all the time. Very very few are even aware of Bidens past at all, which makes it very obvious they made an uninformed decision and never even knew about his extremely racist past.

@alecui

@TruthSandwich

Exactly, taking power away from one centralized enttity (public schools) and allowing the power over education to be distributed and a choice... yes it will defund public schools and shrink them, but only so far as people choose not to send their kids to public school... shrinking a central power and producing a system of many choices is not the same as completely eliminating it, it just puts the power in check.

@alecui

@TruthSandwich

Nope, but like most voters of any color they were lied to and tricked and sadly not educated enough on biden's past to know they were. Thats not the same as them being idiots.

@alecui

@TruthSandwich

You seem to have a real hard time drawing a distinction between one isolated principle, and others... getting rid of public schools all together would be right wing... giving people school choice is left wing. If you have a combination of principles that include both than you have a mix of right wing and left wing principles... The world isnt so black and white as you want it to be with everything being all one thing or another, it is nuanced and you will just have to accept that.

@alecui

@shibaprasad

So sounds like your ISP is blocking QOTO maybe? does the domain name resolve.

@claralistensprechen3rd @ClaraListensprechen@universeodon.com

@TruthSandwich

I call all pro-segregationists racists... and yes, its justified.

@alecui

@TruthSandwich

Nope, it does not, the idea that only the rich can choose what school to send their kids to is a very clearly right wing stance, giving parents a choice regardless of economic status is a very clearly left-wing principle.

@alecui

@TruthSandwich @alecui

You are also incorrect about "emperical political science" my own stance is based on empirical evidence, yours sounds like its just winging it and is arbitrary.

@TruthSandwich

It doesnt fail at all, that is exactly what we would expect of a party on the left side of the spectrum, it would, does, and should have mostly right-wing principles and very few left wing principles based on my definition... that is exactly the case here, the GOP is almost exclusively right-wing and i was only able to list a single left-wing principle it adopts, exactly in line with my stance as well as the reality.

@alecui

@TruthSandwich @alecui

You have yet to make any compelling argument as to why the objective scale "makes little sense".. In fact quite the opposite, every counter example you have given has been debunked and held up well given my definition and was in line with the historic notions of left and right prescribed to parties and ideals.

@TruthSandwich

What something is remains unchanged regardless of how that thing is used to acomplish a goal.

Holding a door open for someone is polite. If i hold the door open for a married woman and secretly in my own head do it in the hope it will impress her and I can steal her away from her husband... my goal may not be polite, but the act of opening the door is still polite regardless.

@alecui