🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@LouisIngenthron

No we dont.. the state picks the representatives, the members of the state pick who those people will be. This is clear because each state gets to pick the rules for how their own representitives are voted for, this isnt determined federally...

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@volkris

Strawmen are @TruthSandwich 's speciality :) He is a good guy though, he just gets triggered if you say anything anyone other than a democrat has ever said and then goes off tangents...

@freepeoplesfreepress

@LouisIngenthron

They shouldnt, which is why within a state every person should have an equal vote for representation in that state. Therefore everyone has equal rights, and each state has fair representation as well without being overhelmed by the will of other states.

This is hardly a new concept, it is the way virtually every union of member states operates, with each state fairly electing its own governnance and then those respected governments each representing themselves in the greater union.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

There needs to be a way to protect states rights, to ensure larger states cant bullt smaller states into changing their laws... I am ok with any solution that does this, what we have is the best I know of so far.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

Yes its about balancing the two... States each have their own laws, their own governance and their own cultures (to an extent)...A state is more like a country in some ways.

Its a bit like saying the USA should be able to dictate what the middle east can do in the UN simply because we have more people... If a state wants to keep its population down, and its people are **responsible** enough to keep a low population which is healthier for the people and environment, they shouldnt be penalized for it... It makes a great deal of sense that each state gets its own vote that is only partly weighted by population, and partly flat.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

The vote still favors california in the cirremt scemarop/

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

That is no more "true" democracy than any of the other many forms of voting that exist that arent that simplistic... nor does it address a tyranny of the majority as well, so no, id rather it not.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@volkris @TruthSandwich @freepeoplesfreepress

EXACTLY! Its not misleading when the point is something different than what the point he wants to make is (which was clearly stated).

The point here is "outside of the cities almost anywhere you might be in america is red"

@IAmErik I agree this shouldnt be used to suggest the blue sections are unfairly dominating the red... instead it simply means if you are almost anywhere in the USA, you are likely in a red area as very few places in america are blue.... In other words... there are no blue states on blue cities as the OP states.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Yes but in the house the vote strongly favors california. It makes sense to me that the house shoukd be balanced for population and the senate flat. It ensures there must be both a majority acceptance, and a state-majority acceptance to pass new laws...

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Thats why we tweak the numbers as populations change to balance it again. Weve done it a few times iirc.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Sorry the phrase i meant to use was tyrwnny of the majority.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

As ive stated, if balanced correctly (the numbers need twesking sometines) then yes. It prevents a tyranny of the minority as discussed. It ensures the various cultures we have who are small isolated groups (like the amish) dont get thrown under a bus for the whims of the majority

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

No they arent elected the same.

In the house the number of seats per stste is based on population, bigger get more. The senate is fixed with each stste getting 2 and only 2. This ensures states that have low populations and are mostly red states in this case, get more representstion per person.

@trinsec @LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism

Thry do it all the time... yes the map can and will be abused. But thats not what is being done here.

It makes one simple fact clear, if you drive to almost any random place in america, you are almost always surrounded by red voters. Only time your not is if its a city.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Its not misleading at all, its intent as ststed clearly is to show votes by land mass. Nothibg misleading about that, no one is claiming this is showing votes by population density, its showing votes by region only.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism

We arent talki g racial minorities, we are talking american cultures. Southern culture, amish terretories, mennonite terretories, etc. Its not about race, wrong sort of minority in this context.

The logic works fine, there are senators that represent those other areas and their culture, so its fine. We also balance that out in a different way, by adding a fixed number of sentators as a base and then addind more due to population. This evens out the densities in a similar way.