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@LouisIngenthron

Yes it described the limits on **their sovreignty**... it explicitly stated they were sovreign and the nature of that sovreignty, namely, where and how it applies.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

Nope, while the DEA can make laws they cant enforce them due to state sovreignty... for example they cant send federal agents into a state to arrest someone if their actions legally were wholly contained within the state (they can only act in inter-state matters).

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@trinsec yea ill try to delete you rname from it, no problem.

@peterdrake

They are saying largely the same things.. first the members of the state pick the state representatives, then those representatives go on to represent the state.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

Thats what happens when you look up non-technical definitions and ignore the nuance of types ofg legal sovreignty...

I have shared with you legal links that explicitly state that states int ehUSA are conisdered **legally** to be sovreign... I have also given you examples of this manifesting re: cannabis laws.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

Yes it very much is a **type** of soverignty.. there are many forms and it isnt as simple as "not accountable to anyone).

We actually can see the sovreignty of states in how the cannabis laws go down.. The federal government has made it illegal, yet states have denied the federal government and choose to make it legal... While technically the federal government should have the legal superiority since their agends cant act within the state (they cant actually send military in to arrest people because the state is sovreign) they get away with it anyway.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@trinsec Im not sure, I have heard people complain about this before to be honest.... it has worked for me though.

@LouisIngenthron

No you are thinking of a specific type of sovereignty called "Westphalian sovereignty".. not all sovereignty means that there is no other authority or no complex hierarchy... that is the colloqual use of the term, but int he case of unions it is more nuanced.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

Another quote fromt he legal link I gave earlier that might be more clear:

Under Garcia, states retain their sovereign authority “only to the extent that the Constitution has not divested them of their original powers and transferred those powers to the Federal Government.” 15

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

I posted one earlier, They have complete sovreignty to do anything they want so long as it doesnt violate the rights of the federal government. They have legal sovreign status unlike provinces.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

Texas cant declare war or send soldiers, but they could ally with russia in the sense of choosing to send weapons or aide to russia.. at least I think so, I'm not complete sure on this point.

Regardless sovreignty is **not** defined by your ability to form allys anyway.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

Nope state soverignty is explicitly recognized by the supreme court of the united states. It is said to be garunteed by the 10th amendment.

One such quote:

"But the Court found that “there are attributes of sovereignty attaching to every state government which may not be impaired by Congress, not because Congress may lack an affirmative grant of legislative authority to reach the matter, but because the Constitution prohibits it from exercising the authority in that manner.”

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-10/state-sovereignty-and-the-tenth-amendment

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

Generally Canada is not considered a union in the same sense. They are part of the commonwealth of england but have effectively complete independence... But that aside no canada is just a bunch of prooviences.

The difference is in the very thing your arguing, the fact that states are self governing and can decide their own rules as to how they vote and participate int he union. The very existance of the mechnisms we are discussing, along with states having their own soverignty is what defines the difference. In short our states have much more indendence and self determination than a province does.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Oh and states in the USA **are** considered to have their own sovereignty.

@LouisIngenthron

There are also tons of countries that font follow your criteria (for example countries with no military, and which dont engage in their own diplomacy). None of that is required to be considered a state.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

We very much are a union of states. This has been well established since the earliest days of the USA.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@peterdrake

"those people" is a reference to the represenatives they are voting for.

No not every state is a simple popular vote per person.. depends on what represenative we are talking about (house, senate, electorate, mayor, governor, etc) and what state.

For example in some states it is common that each representative is just voted on via popular vote directly... in other states, particularly with the electorate, there is an all-or-nothing vote at play where all electorates pledges to the same person will win if a majorty of those electorates win. We also have some states that use first-past-the-post voting and yet others that use ranked-choice voting... It very much is a per-state thing and it varies a great deal from state to state

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

A union is a very specific thing... having lots of cultures and geography is not a union.. a union is a collection of nation-states.. I listed the three examples of unions that are most noted, there arent oo many others (the UK can be considered one but it is so irregular many of its members are barely treated like members, like canada, so its just not a good example).

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@volkris

Yes thats true, most people strugle a great deal with going off-script when it comes to politics (or even in general).

@TruthSandwich @freepeoplesfreepress

@LouisIngenthron

Thats a link to democracies, not unions, so not related... UNIONS all operate this way whether its the EU, the UN, or NATO.

@thegonzoism @trinsec