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@TruthSandwich

And you failed statistics... the odds are low, but easily calculated... 1 in 12 elections a party switches, on average.. thats more than enough odds for me to bet on the not-evil choices.

@barney

@barney My response was in no way exclusive to abortion. As I stated, voting the other side would have opened the world up to atrocities of equal measure just of a different nature.

Voting for one evil guy who does one set of evil things vs another evil guy who does a different set of evil things is no argument to vote for either... voting for the not-evil guy who has a 1 in 12 chance of winning, that is the only sane, not-evil choice one can make. Any other choice and you are supporting evil of the level you described.

@barney No I am not ok with it... YOU let it happen by convincing people they cant vote for third parties, and thus people had to resort to one of two evil monsters both of which would commit cruelties of this magnitude and wors.. YOU are the one to blame, not me.

@barney Statistically there is about a 1 in 12 chance a third party will win this election. The odds are against him for sure. But I would take voting for a third party over voting for pure evil any day of the week... ill take those odds. If other people were smart so would they.

@barney Not true.. while those two nominees are very likely to be the case, it is not an absolute. Third parties have won 8 times in the history of the USA, and they can win again. It happens rare enough it is unlikely, but it has happened often enough to know there is a possibility.

Knowing third parties can win, and that all it takes for them to win is for people to stop spreading the lie of the 2-parties, then the best thing you can do to save the country is to vote 3rd party, if for no other reason than to send the message we have other choices and get others on board.

I certainly would never vote for one of the two existing choices, that in my mind would just be throwing my vote away because even if my choice wins I would regret it horribly.

@barney I disagree, but I understand why it might trick people into seeing it that way.

While it is true that Duverger;'s law will generally cause 95%+ of the votes to be split between two parties, that is not suggestive that a third party doesnt stand a chance or is a throw away vote.

Despite our voting system being such that Duverger's law was and is always applicable we have seen third parties win 8 times in the history of the US presidential elections (much more if we count senate). What we see, however, is these parties go from <2% of the votes in any previous election to suddenly >50% vote in a single election cycle. This is how the law truely manifests... until the actual support for the party reaches 50% it will retain an **apparent** support of <2%. Then suddenly when the actual support crosses the 50% threshold then the apparent support comes to match it immediately.

This effectively means a third party vote is not and never has been a throw away vote. It acts just like any other vote, it just gets distorted in the final numbers.

i am tempted to get a large rod of Ferrocerium and put several amps through it to get it white hot then hit it with a hammer.... my god that would look insane!

@Meachamus_Prime @slider7420

I take it one step further, I refuse to have heros... you can never be let down if you just assume everyone sucks by default!

My beacon is routinely hitting over 50 miles from my roof right now. Seems my antenna is still doing a fine job!

@megahertz

You are welcome to your opinion. But since I think he is one of the worst presidents we ever had its not a point that matters much to argue really.

@TheUSASingers@union.place

@barney thanks for clarifying what you meant. I dont agree, and am happy to discuss, but i really was just looking for clarification as I thought you were sharing a real quote... thanks again.

@barney Ahhh ok, it wasnt an actual code... my fault, sorry to interrupt, carry on.

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