@khird Great, i will finish updating the plugins so will be down for about 5 minutes.
@khird I am updating various plugins which is possibly putting it in maintanence mode. I stopped updated, can you try now?
Were you using TOTP, U2F, or Yubikey based 2-factor?
Seems the issue is the plugins needed updating but U2F and Yubikey are deprecated now but I manated to get TOTP back up.
If you were using TOTP you should be good now and will see it in your settings again. If you used one of the others let me know and I will continue to debug.
Please let me know if this worked for you.
@georgetakei Maybe he can fire himself :)
@trinsec Eh I guess I just get bored with things easily.. Once I feel like im going throught the motions I loose interest in a lot of stuff.
@khird This is strange.. Not only do i see no where in my personal settings to activate or turn off 2fa, I also cant find anyway to edit it for other users from the admin interface... ill do some checking in the documentation.
@khird whats your username there?
@khird Ok ill check within the hour, thanks for reminding.
@freemo according this page https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/03/health/baby-talk-boosts-infant-brain-wellness/index.html
I figure out that I speak to child in parentese and not in proper baby-talk. At maximum I can intersperse parentese with some "ahhh", "ohhh", "ehhh", but these are exclamations, not baby-talk.
It seems that parentese is better for children. Obviously with slow cadence, and simplified grammar.
@mzan It isnt just the choice of words but the tone is extremely important to my point too.
With babytalk the tone is very unnatural, usually a high-pitched falsetto for some reason. This aspect becomes particularly harmful as the child is able to communicate because of its condescending and dismissive nature.
A lot of it is about how you say it not just what you say.
@mzan I dont need "experts" to see the harm.. it seems quite obvious to me where all the children I see raised being treated that way are extreemely stunted. The ones treated as equals tend to be extremely successful adults. Its like saying i should look to experts to understand if the sun will rise tomorrow. Some things are so obvious I dont need an expert to tell me.
@rmattila74 Only acceptable if they are a republican or democrat party member.
@mzan I think there is a bit of a divide here.. like you can treat a child in appropriately without it being baby talk, and there is a lot of overlap. But im talking about baby talk which often even translates to young children in a slightly different way, its always very condescending.
An example of it when used on toddlers and young teens is when they do something worthy of praise and the adults go "yayyyyy and clap" but do it in a tone that is unique to addressing children and very different to, say applause at a sports arena. That is, it always has a condescending tone to it.
@freemo as a linguist and a many-times parent, I endorse the spirit of this message. I wouldn't go so far as to call it abuse, but it is definitely not helpful to the children.
@worldsendless abuse is intentionally hyperbolic here.. but yea.
@trinsec I kinda get seeing a game as a book, in which case the game mechanics arent as critical. The problem is I find, as books, almost all games are really lacking compared to real books. Moreover I find them just too long-winded and slow when evaluating it as a book.
Its the same reason i prefer written tutorials over youtube videos. I can get the same information much faster and can skip the boring parts.
@mzan I think you are perfectly fine if you dont use baby talk but still engage in the body language portion.
You can also use incremental steps increasing the complexity of the language without using the condescending tone and made-up words of baby talk.
@trinsec Man I wish I could get pleasure from games like you do :)
@georgetakei Cant they do just one honest thing... just one. The bar is low!
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