🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@lowqualityfacts

IT is true, I am an amphibiorologist. What people mistake for frogs in Europe are in fgact froegs, a completely unrelated, but also identical walk of life. Like american frogs you can lick them.

@arctangent Im trying to pick smells that are less scents and more like actual wood smell. Basically only really smells.

@arctangent i dont like liquid colognes, too chemical.. the solid colognes are usually more natural due to the fact that they arent expecting to be as strong (though last much longer).

Im happy to avoid liquid colognes and stick with solid.

@arctangent As far as I can tell the smell doesnt last that long from the shaving cream anyway. I bought some solid cologne to offset that :)

@sfrazer434

You are a pro at moving that goal post... First it was because I said the black person was wrong.. then when i showed you quotes saying just the opposite now its "not a conversation" lolol.. just keep moving those goal posts till your right!

Sadly your right this isnt a conversation, because im the only one actually trying to engage in good faith here.

@sfrazer434

> “These arent mutual exclusive... “ your failure to communicate is on you, not the people who read your words.

Spoken like someone who hears what they want to hear rather than what is being said.

The failure to communicate is on both of us. It is up to me to communicate clearly and up to you to ask questions if you dont understand something.

In this case since I have direct quotes of whatI said that directly contradict your claim it seems to me the fialure is on you for not taking the time to carefully read what was said

@sfrazer434 Heres the thing, you heard exactly what you wanted to with no connection to reality...

What I did say:

> If someone wants to be a terrorist, that is a mental health issue.

Never said anything about right or wrong, black or white... I said there was a health issue at play, essentially what you said I should say, that he should have sought therapy (what is implied by saying they had a mental health issue).

At no point did I "defend" the actions in any way, in fact later I even reiterated quite the opposite with:

> We shouldnt use it as an excuse or a free pass... it should be used as a focus on where our energy should go, in helping to make people mentally healthy so they dont do this sort of stuff, not as an excuse to give them a pass.

@sfrazer434 I beg to differ. If a nazi is actively seeking therapy it is very likely they are going to change their ways. I cant tell you how many times ive seen a horribly racist and violent person change their ways after a serious commitment to therapy.

@sfrazer434

> then your definition of “mentally ill” is so broad as to be meaningless.

Yes, as with many valid concepts it is very broad and effects a lot of people. Hardly meaningless because it represents people who could be helped by therapy and a conscious attempt to be a mentally healthy individual. So while broadly applicable it is quite meaningful.

> And it ignores completely justifiable violence, such as self-defense.

Doesnt ignore it at all. I never said all violent acts, I said violent people. Someone who only commits violence to prevent a greater violence is not a violent person.

@sfrazer434

No you are just hung up on words... I am talking "mentally unhealthy"... you are talking "Pyschosis" which is an entierly different medical category. While I am not claiming everyone who is violent has psychosis they are mentally ill as wanting to hurt people is, by definition, a mentally unhealthy trait.

@YakyuNightOwl

And for the record being mentally ill doesnt mean you "dont make the choice".. you can still be responsible for your actions and mentally ill at the same time.

We shouldnt use it as an excuse or a free pass... it should be used as a focus on where our energy should go, in helping to make people mentally healthy so they dont do this sort of stuff, not as an excuse to give them a pass.

@YakyuNightOwl

No all around.. I mean your right you dont create layers of excuses or stigma, but you also dont "focus on the sociopath" as a mental illness and leave out all the other mental illness that is equally at play.

No the solution is simple, you make mental health accessible, you encourage **everyone** to see a psychiatrist, talk, and work on yourself. You create these same environments in the home...

You do it without stigmas and without the intent of taking away rights or punishing someone for havin a mental illness.. you focus on good happy, healthy people, everything else will come from that as needed.

@StillIRise1963 buh bye, dont let the door hit ya on the way out.

@StillIRise1963 @Vincarsi @sidereal

yea no thats just wrong. Anyone who can behave in a racist way in the modern world is mentally ill.. In fact I'd go so far as to say anyone who is cruel and evil to others is mentally ill, no exceptions.

@Vincarsi @sidereal @StillIRise1963

> It's a comforting myth to believe that people only do this kind of stuff because they're not functioning properly.

If you want to kill people then you already arent "functioning properly"... if your mental health issue is the result of your dad being a piece of shit and pouring racist shit on you, that is still mental health.

I suspect you are confusing genetic disorders you are born with with behavior disorders that result in exposure with an unhealthy environment.

@YakyuNightOwl

Sure, I certainly agree children should have ample access to mental health.

Thing is it doesnt work that way. Most people with mental illness will never be diagnosed, especially when they arent seeking it out. Even when someone thinks they have a mental illness it can take many sessions and back and forth and several failed diagnosis before you settle on some diagnosis. Now if someone is resisting the process, well there isnt much hope.

Its not about identifying and "flagging" the mentally ill, that is just adding a taboo. What we need to do is offer talk therapy (and access to medication if needed) to address their mental health issues and be healthier better members of society, regardless of if their mental health issues is tagged with a specific name or condition.

@realcaseyrollins

Presuming they are doing it due to a water shortage then it sounds like it is still the result of climate change.

@sidereal

Nah, They arent just related, they are nearly 100% related.. if you are violent you are almost certainly mentally ill, regardless of diagnosis (in fact I'd say the vast majority of mentally ill people dont have a formal diagnosis and may never get one).

The relationship is one way though. While being violent virtually garuntees mental illness, being mentally ill is not suggested of violence.

@StillIRise1963