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@athousandcateaus

Perhaps you are a white person so they are less likely to say it arou d you than me. Whatever the reason my personal expiernces certainly have been about equal from both sides on this (talking in the streets not whatever view you get from the news.

Rational here tends to mean a push to objectivity, reason, and facts, as opposed to trying to twist to match your assumptions.

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@athousandcateaus

I do t recall saying the number of people calling for genocide on both sides specifically was identical.

Also we arent talking about centrists here being the ones with reasonable true perspective.. if anything we are implying left, moderate left, center left, and centrist are all more rational than extreme/alt left. Same for tbe right. I think that its fair to say ideologically nonextreme people are going to be more rational on almost any topic.

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@athousandcateaus

Im aware of communism, and yes its more complicated than a 100% Tax rste. You need to make it more complicates for people to be fooled into thinking it coukd work.

As for being on the left and not seeing thr extremis. Sadly that is very common, it can be very hard for people to see their own sides extremism and very easy to see it on the otherside.

@volkris Id argue this tactic garubtees an advantage always to the person selecting their piece.

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

I havent asserted anything yet that needs backing up. Been dealing with your ego the whole time.

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

Why is it the people who always lie to themselves the most always say this.

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

> Sorry buddy, that is a weak response. You've lost the argument. My view is accurate is based on facts, which is intellectually honest.

Its not, and i pointed out precisely why its intellectually dishonest. Sadly more than facts are needed to make an argument, they also need to stand up to logical consistenty, which I pointed out why they didnt here (you are using something that happens at a very small fraction as a benchmark to judge eh whole of the extremities).

Also the fact thatyou care more about "winning" than seeking truth is very telling inteeed.

> but apparently you don't live here and you don't see it.

No I live here. Moved back about a few months ago. While I do try to stay out of the country a lot I grew up here and know the lay of the land quite well. I've had a house int he USA for 20 some years.

> Your profile looks familiar - are you the guy who signed the NDA with Meta? I'm curious, though maybe that was someone else

I did not. We are one of the oldest instances in the Fedi, and of course I was approached to sign the NDA, but I refused to do so.

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

When you live in a country of 300 million people then saying it happens everyday is not a rebuttal to what I said. There are fringe cases of terrorism, no doubt. and im not debating if that leans right or left. But its such a small microscopic part of the overall extremism using it to represent the whole picture of the extreme is, as I said, intellectually dishonest.

@lawyersgunsnmoney

Taking something that represents 0.00001% of the problem (terrorism) and using it as a model to equate the whole problem... now that is intellectually dishonest!

@stux

@ceoln

Not every fucked up message has an inverted equally fucked up one on the other side. But for every fucked up thing you can find there is an equal measure of fucked up (though perhaps unrelated) stuff on the other side.

For example the most extreme left has the view of "We should take away hard earned pocessions of people, everyone, and give it away to all the people who didnt work for it" I mean the counter to communism of "You can keep the things you earned" just doesnt have the same kick to it either.

@stux

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

Yes I am talking about the US, but really any english speaking country at this point is on its way there.

So when I pointed out the extremism of the right, which you just confirmed, you find that intellectually dishonest? Weird, but ok. First time I heard someone say i was intellectually dishonest while in the same breath literally spewing "counter" points that agree with exactly what I was saying, that the right (and left) have been quite extreme lately. Or are you one of those people who cant help but hear someone defending one evil entity simply because they criticize some other evil entity?

@stux In terms of lies I think there is some truth there. But I think it has less to do with them intentionally lying and more to do with the fact that the right tends to be less educated than the left, so I think that is more the higher idiocy levels with see more so than intentionally lying (plenty of that too but the intentional sort of lies Id say are equal to left and right).

As for the far rights extreme on my views... I mean yea I agree, but I see the same super extreme on the left. I've heard as many on the left call for white genocide as those on the right calling for minority genocide, for example (and for the record its a small minority on both sides in that regard). Or take taxes, I've heard views from the left that supports pure communism (100% tax rate) which matches the extreme nature of some of the most extreme on the right who call for no or nearly no taxes.

@stux I mean thats true of left wing too.. a few super rich billionairs make up most of the lefts narrative just like on the right.

@stux Right-wing a few years back felt like it was dying off. Then left-wing went to super extremist mode and then the right-wing saw a resurgance in response.. now i cant tolerate either side anymore.

@stux As far as I know... no.. the ICC has a international law that would make it illegal "Crimes of Aggression". But russia isnt under ICC jurisdiction.

@stux wait, illegal war? I mean we all agree its immoral im sure, but wars arent legal or illegal.

@sergeant

As an amphibriologist I also study amphetamines and their effects on the fibrulation of hearts of amphibians.. its a very narrow niche

@lowqualityfacts

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