I will give Biden this... when he is lucid enough to actually know where he is and what day it is, he does pick a firm side... Granted, its all just for show and votes for him.. Now that I think about it... im not too fond of the fact that the president isnt trying to act more in the place of a neutral negotiator than a protestor.. but what a ya gonna do.
@TruthSandwich You have, and you remain free to notify people... as long as you are reasonably respectful... obviously the level of respect required of you is contextual... If someone is saying something vile, you can give them all the lip you want.. like if its transphobic hate speech, you feel free to light them up... But if its just an anti-capitalist saying corps are bad, I would expect a bit more restraint in that context.... its not something that has hard rules, basically always be less of a dick than they are :)
@TruthSandwich YEa, many of them arent worth **youre** time... it has value and its probably better spent on someone who is worth the energy of pressing the keys.
They arent worth the electrons it takes to send :)
@Darkayne fantasy is good so long as we can understand its fantasy... and also nothing wrong for searching for fantasy in the truth, so long as we are objective enough to recognize we usually wont find it.
@TruthSandwich That is my reasoning.. if its a public post your inviting **polite** public discourse. They have every right, however, to be upset if your gonna just pop on there and be like "fuck you your blocked" and thats your only contribution... this is where you walk a fine line and may reach a point where you cross it, but you just havent yet.. but you do sometimes come close here.
@ech |
> "isnt any good way to verify it personally" that's part of it, I think – an unwillingness to believe anything you didn't personally verify. Like, go outside and look at the ground or whatever: it looks flat. So to accept this premise that it is round instead of what it obviously looks like, they'll want to see something *personally*.
I agree and I think this is the core of it. There are three stages of effort as I see it.
1) I believe what I superficially believe with my eyes and wont do any digging or investigation beyond this.
2) I only beleive things I can personally verify experimentally, but I will go through the effort to test things... whether i do so in an intellectually honest way or not is another matter
3) I will rely on other experts and their network of endorsements/citations/whatever as an authority and honest source that I can use to draw conclusions, or agree with.
#1 is suspect because its either out of extreme intellectual laziness, or as a scapegoat to justify some underlying less logical reason you just wont admit, usually religion, or a prejudice
#2 is where most people are comfortable
#3 is the hardest because it requires you learning about an entire body of knowledge and people and make subjective judgements about authority... the subjectivity of judging the chain of trust is ultimately where failures can occur here.
To be clear thats not why people are upset... I dont agree with the reasoning but I think its important you at least understand theirs so you can understand why you upset people and get banned.
So their reasoning is this.... "My posts are mine, my reply is my space.. it is rude to come into my replies to contradict me or be adversarial, do that on your own page. This space is for people who agree with me and want help me"
> this is one of those cases where I'd say it's important to talk to [at least] a person who has the perspective to find out why they believe it.
>
> Have you?
A great many over the years... For like a week I joined a few flat earth FB groups for exactly this purpose.
> So very often when I talk to people who have perspectives that are so different from my own I figure out, through discussion, why they believe what they believe, generally because they're working with a different set of facts or premises.
They do indeed tend to have a different set of facts.. often ones very easily disproven, but most of them are too lazy to actually check the facts, they just hear it and adopt it... Why is often a bit unclear since they are the less logical choice of the facts presented.
> I know a few people with really out there beliefs, and when I chat with them I figure out the factually disagreements we have, so their ideas are sometimes rather sensible, given their inputs.
Given their facts as axioms, then yea, no doubt their conclusions track... thats not the part that baffles me. What baffles me is they adopted these nonsensical things as facts when they are so easily tested and dismissed or even in many cases common sense can invalidate it alone.
@TruthSandwich I actually did not notice.. but im sure the moderators report page did, HA!
Can we get an MMA fight between Bill Nye and whoever represents the flat earth society... I may be a scientists but I am not above solving our differences with combat.
@TruthSandwich I dont doubt we agree there.. I just find it funny how most people whose entire focus is to oppose capitalism dont usually even know what that word means, let alone how economy works.
@TruthSandwich the only time i ever come close to agreeing with an anticapitalist is when they have no idea what capitalism is and really are just antioligarchy.
@freemo
It also doesn’t help many grew up watching the Discovery channel to further fortify their believe in “Ancient Aliens”
Yea that channel did soooo much harm.
Thi g is when i was younger i was into it and it was good for me as it gave me a "what if" mentality. I was mature enough to know it was speculative despite being sold as fact...
Despite that seems it was quite a bit more harmful for others it seems
@tatzelbrumm Fair.. immoral, piece of shit,, ,douche nozzle, douche cannoe ... Take your pick :)
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