🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@Darkayne The more groups you adhere to and advertise your adherence to the more it scares me... Your identity shouldnt revolve around the groups you participate in.

@admin

Sadly no, there is a group of people who are quite toxic and just looking for reasons to start drama with good people :(

@SETIEric @vwbusguy

> In general list, databases, directories are difficult to copyright unless there is a degree of creativity involved in the compilation. Note "work" or "effort" is not relevant, creativity is.

Thats not true, the copyright is automatic and garunteed.. what is hard to do is **enforce** it. I would need to prove you actually copied from my list, and if you modify your list or the list is short, that can be very hard to do. But if it is clear you literally just copied some list someone compiled.. then yea if that can be proven it would certainly be illegal.

> The usual example is recipes. A recipe cannot be copyrighted as it is a set of ingredients and instructions.

No this isnt true its more complicated than that. A list of food items in and of itself cant be copyrighted. However a recipe can, since a recipe is more than a list of food items but includes how you prepare those food items, and other aspects that make it copyrightable. Therefore will need to have a written description on how to prepare it as well as other information. These written texts ultimately make them copyrightable but it isnt the only aspect that makes it copyrigtable.

> A book containing a set of recipes can be, primarily because to the text and photos describing the recipes.

No that is not why, though it is part of it... The descriptions and other aspects are copyrightable and is one among many reasons a recipe book is.. but here is the rub.... even a recipe book that is itself modern, but **every single** recipe in it is in the public domain (because they are old enough)... you still cant republish the recipie book and the book itself is copyrighted. Thats because it isnt the descriptions at all that protect it, it is because **collections** are protected.

Now you may wonder, if collections are protected why arent lists of ingredients... Largely because they dont rise to the level of a collection under copyright law. A collection needs to be more substantial than a short list of food items.

A dictionary, even if you reduce it to a list of words without definitions, would be substantial enough to fall under the definition of a collection. Much like a book of public domain recipies is, as a collection, copyrighted, so too would a list of curated words that are expansive enough to be an attempt at describing the whole of the english language.

LAWL... now people are blocking me because I decided to be kinder to people and apologize if i was ever harsh in the past...

You cant even make this shit up with these guys.

@shsbxheb

That is me... very strange to block someone for saying they will make an effort to be kinder to people... but ok.. if that is why you block people sounds like you are doing me a favor blocking me.

@hosford42 @RushGirl

@admin

> When I've landed employment, I will know how much time I'd be able to devote to such a thing.

Since this is open source if its something you want to be a part of you have no obligations. Put the time in you want, and feel free to pull back or lean into it as you feel you wish to.

> A one-stop shop for amateur radio FOSS would be great. ARFOSS? HAMFOSS?

Still brainstorming the name... My thinking is open-source in ham is really lacking, so i want to encourage that. But also the state of software is very archaic with some huge issues that are very dangerous... I dont want to point them out in public as someone might exploit it, but one software related gap I could easily exploit to take down a amateur radio service across the **entire globe** and there would be no way to stop me even if i said what the exploit was... Its stuff like this that tells me there is a huge need for FOSS communities and incubators in HAM to push people to more open standards.

> Are you thinking a separate, but public, github/svn style thing, web driven, or something else?

QOTO itself is a service basically for open-source STEM. So we provide a bunch of free stuff to help faciliatate that... It includes a GitLab instance with full Ultimate licenses for every user. I was going to use QOTO resources to host the software itself, and make this a group on that gitlab server.

That said I wouldnt be opposed to hosting our own dedicated Gitlab server... but that would cost more as it is a hefty service.

> I'm not saying no.. I'm saying yes, but it'd have to be a side-gig that I can work on after normal work hours.

This is open source, thats how it works, you commit whatever time you want day to day, no obligations other than to let the community know your availability at any time when possible if we rely on you for a deliverable thats all.

@admin Side note, let me know if you want to discuss.... I am starting up a Ham radio open-source incubator, moving my projects into them, and starting a few new ones... let me know if youd like to collaborate on it potentially. This isnt a pay thing, though should we get donations it may turn into one.

@vwbusguy Well thats the problem.. anything that is old enough to be in the public domain you cant pick because it will contain inaccuracies since it wasnt updated.

Any dictionaries that are modern and released into the public domain are likely far less comprehensive and thus lack the alternatives you want in the first place... this assumes there are any good ones in the public domain to begin with.

This tracks...

#Beer

@vwbusguy

Common spellings are in the public domain.. that doesnt mean you can aquire them through a copyrighted source.

What I cant do is take a dictionary copyrighted in 2023, and scrape it and pull out all the spellings... In fact what i also cant do is take a 1807 dictionary and a 2023, scrape them both and only use entries that overlap between the two... Since i used a copyrighted dictionary, 2023 to compile that information it would be in violation, even if the data extracted is from the public domain.

The reasoning is simple, the dictionary **isnt** copyrighting the words themselves, it is copyrighting its curation.. They assemble experts who review old dictionaries and update them, their research into what word is or isnt still a word and what spellings are valid is what is copyrighted, not the actual word itself.

Think of it like this, imagine I wrote a book that was nothing more than a copyrighted list of names of public domain works. Just because the titles and works are in the public domain doesnt mean my list and efforts to make a compilation are in the public domain, it isnt.

@admin In the future (once we get to a procuction product) we will need people like that. It is at least a year away. For now we need super-seniors who are a bit of a jack of all trade.

Hit me up down the line if you'd like and ill see where we are at.

@vwbusguy Words are always in the public domain, dictionaries arent...

If all they did was import the 1806 dictionary you would have tons of incorrect words that have since been removed fromt he language in modern times... So thats not a solution.

Also the latest miriam webster is copyrighted, ALL of it... the fact that every single word in it is int he public domain doesnt mean the dictionary itself is in the public domain, it isnt, nor are entries that are archaic.

@hosford42

That's alot of words for saying "You have a nuanced outlook and dont just agree with the masses on one side or another of an issue"...

I am quite impressed with your ability to make a compliment into an insult, impressive.

@RushGirl

@admin

When I say beyond senior I just mean a senior programmer who is the best of the best as far as seniors go... Expert understanding of algorithms, coding patterns, someone who can be self-determined and own the project rather than just get told what to do, has architect abilities.. and understands some of the more technical aspects of computers like mathematics, data science, parallelism, distributed processing, databases, devops, etc.

I will check out the resume... if I hire someone it would be 100% remote and operated similar to how open-source teams operate just with accountability on deliverables.

I have two projects I am about to ramp up on and in the process of securing funding other than my own: one is RF/radio related, but all software (so writing things like modulation schemes, and digital protocols).. the other is an AI framework based on my own AI algorithms I invented but also requires implementation of existing AI algorithms as part of the overall system... When I say AI I largely mean Data Science, not AI in the scifi sense.