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@thatguyoverthere

Bush isnt quite as bad as Trump or Biden if thats what your asking... But it would be like asking to vote between Hitler and Stallin... like even if i can reason my way that one is a little less bad than the other, neither is someone I would ever vote for.

@cjd @georgetakei

@ScoWer22

Good thing I want to support Ukrain but also dont support mandates then huh?

That said your still a fool if you are against getting vaccinated for yourself. But you should have the freedom to be a fool if you want.

@thatguyoverthere

Yes I know what he said... Calling biden equivalent to a head of cabbage in a coma would be an insult to cabbages everywhere.

@cjd @georgetakei

@Phil

For what its worth it may help you recognize my position if you understand as someone who is native american myself I think about a lot of aspects people dont talk about... There is a reason you know that the NAtive Americans, almost all sided with the south. Its because of the two the north was far more abusive in murdering us to extinction... So excuse me if i find the "they are the good guys" narrative a bit one-dimensional

@Phil ditto

The question is if either of us wants to invest the time and energy citing sources, and if we do will it even matter if we agree on the actions taken.

Seems we agree ont he actions themselves. So good enough by me.

@cjd

Thats like asking me who I vote for, a piece of cabbage in a comma, or a wet orange colored turd... Who cares, at that point id be doing a write in if those were my only choices.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@Phil

> He did as soon as it became necessary.

Thats a funny way of saying "once it is pointless"... He only abolished slavery at a federal level once every single state abolished it... That reeks of insincerity and necessity.

> so making it seem like he was disinterested is deceptive.

Like I said, actions speak louder than words... If he really cared to push anti-slavery views his emancipation proclemation would look very different.

Even post slavery Lincoln was quoted saying he didnt beleive in giving blacks voting rights except for the few exceptional "intelligent ones" which is wording highly suggested was a rarity..

Politicians say what gets them elected.. gotta judge them on their actions, not their words.

@cjd

I didnt say your side points were important.. they may be very important tangents... but they dont change a damn thing about how much Donald is a piece of shit... It just means he is a piece of shit who pissed people off and people are out for blood. It also just means everyone else is also a piece of shit... again not changing the fact that so is Donald.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@mike805

That tracks for me.

@threalist

@thatguyoverthere

Yea i mean i was talking more generally.. but yea, if its a person with some authority and understanding then maybe you shoudl at least give them a chance

@threalist

Hahaha, spot on :)

@mike805

@threalist

Yea and similar the native americans (a group i am part of) were vastly abused by the north and sided mostly with the south.

Usually the picture painted as the north as some hero for minorities and the south as a bunch of racists is a gross oversimplification... The truth is both sides were just racists fighting racists, as would be the case at that time in history when everything and everyone was racist.

@mike805

@thatguyoverthere Oh I know, I didnt think it had to do with me... Just saying, just cause you or anyone said a thing doesnt mean the other side beleives it :) Or even that it was true

@Phil While you are right, they arent a dictator, they do still play a leadership role and can use their veto power for laws (didnt need to be an amendment) for example...

But yes he couldnt make the decision alone, he would have to simply promote a law or amendment, which he didnt even do that much at the time.

@thatguyoverthere

The problem is just because something is "explained to you" doesnt mean that the person explaining it was right.

@threalist Yup, it was all the states that bordered the south but were in the north.

Though technically you could argue after the emancipation proclimation (since the north is the legal recognized government) the north was the only region left with slaves after that moment..

Of course the reality is more complex since southern states didnt recognize the authority. But at least from the perspective of the north, as the one true government, after that point slavery existed **only** in the north (legally).

Interesting fact of the day: Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation **only** freed the southern slaves and kept the north slaves legal and enslaved. It was a sort "screw you to the south" more so than to abolish slavery.

Lincoln only supported and pushed through the 13th amendment once slavery was voluntarily abolished at the state level first.

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