🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@caekislove

well lets all just be thankful Hillary lost.. She wouldnt have helped any thats for sure.

@jeff @cjd @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@cjd

Yes I know what you were saying...

> And yet your conception of EVIL is a guy standing on a podium making fun of a crippled journalist.

So other things existing int he world is evil makes mocking a crippled person not evil?

Sorry but with logic like that you dont get to say what is childish.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@voidabyss

Half true... it isnt "white European elite"... its literally every society, including minorities themselves.

The northern africans enslaved white people... we had to go to war to stop them from enslaving whites....

Central africans enslaved their own people for sale to salve traders, so they had a hand in their own slavery, and sometimes even owned their own slaves within tribes.

Native americans would enslave other native americans.

There is no shortage of examples of every race, any race, enslaving almost any other... this includes white people on both sides of slavery throughout history.

@threalist @mike805

@thatguyoverthere

> explicityly trying to deny people access to his businesses for the color of their skin
>
> :doubt:

I mean the evidence was all presented in court including his housing manager and those who applies who were directly and in no uncertain terms told blacks were not allowed... this was in the 60s and 70s, but still clear racism direct from Trump

> you talking about the meme where he mocked Hillary or something making a funny face?

No I am talking about when he stood on stage and made fun of a reporter, whom he named explicitly, who was physically disabled and he mocked their disability by making faces to imitate him.

Attached is the screen shot of him mocking him and a photo of the reporter.

inb4 you think the photo is out of context watch the video it is clear and intentional he was mocking his disability

> Everybody lies or has lied.

Other people doing wrong things has no relevance and changes nothing about if Trump does wrong things... this means nothing. Presidents shouldnt lie most of the time,a nd when they lie for no reason and nearly constantly, then they should be treated as such.

@cjd @georgetakei

@mike805

Yea it remains an unsolved problem it seems.

@threalist

@LouisIngenthron and the second part is effectivly impossible with fountain pens the way I write... flex pens require a strong hand to form the line variations.

@mike805

Because they fought a different angle.. they wanted state rights to sort it out for themselves. Because no group could get a majority acceptance on any issue.. so everything else was a standstill.

@threalist

@thatguyoverthere

I'd vote for AfroMan over every single candidate currently availible to me.

@cjd @georgetakei

@LouisIngenthron I hate whiteout.. if you write over it with a fountain pen, even try, it will ruin it temporarily and you cant write with it again until you clean the tip thruoughly.

@cjd

If you think making fun of a crippled person in a public setting when acting as president is "childish" to see as a form of evil then we are done talking.. I dont want to interact with anyone who thinks that is a morally good, rather than evil, expression.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@cjd

I mean trump literally is a one man Oligarchy, so you did a very very poor job at that.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@threalist

There is no doubt a large portion of the south were fighting for their right to decide for themselves how to handle slavery (and wanting to keep it, at least in the short term)...

But you are right, there are many nuanced factors overall.

@mike805

@thatguyoverthere

Trump has done a very many things that are evil... lying, explicitly trying to deny people access to his businesses for the color of their skin, mocking disabled people... The fact that you dont think he has ever been evil publicly (let alone non publicly) is shocking to say the least.

@cjd @georgetakei

@cjd

While I wouldnt say Trump RFK or any of those nut jobs are a good choice. I can understand the hating of the Clinton/Bush types (Obama was okish but had some huge issues too).. But yea I can understand disliking any of them.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@cjd

It only counts if you vote in local and primary systems.. then you are making change and have every right to say "I wont support evil"... not mental gymanistics, its called having principles...

Now if you never vote in the primaries or anything that can fix the problem, then and only then I might agree with you.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@Phil Well since most of them are dead, they are now...

But yea native americans werent perfect people who lacked injustice, even before first contact.

@cjd

> So by writing in somebody who is obviously not going to win, you essentially choose to abstain. A LOT of people do this which is why voter turnout is so low.

No not necessarily. If enough people are upset by the choices and enough people write it in, it does become a valid vote (write ins are counted in many countries).

In any sensible country if you had two choices as evil as the ones we have right now everyone woul writein and we would have change... sadly we wont.

But your asking me "Do you choose guy one who will be evil to people or guy two".. yes every time my answer will be "I wont choose evil people, but I will be happy to fight int he civil war. Which is exactly what I'd say if my choice was Stalin or Hitler... if its Bush or Trump .. sadly i doubt there would be a civil war for that, but there should be.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@Phil Thats certainly true.. but in this case its not just muddled... its evil in specifically the treatment of minorities in fairly balanced ways... I mean sure the south is worse on blacks.. but much much better on native americans than the north, for example Asians were also more often abused/enslaved by the north (re: railroads) than the south

Point is when it comes to the treatment of minorities and their rights to autonomy both sides were bad and good in ways that kinda balance out.. plenty of evil on both sides, no one side the clear good guy

@ScoWer22

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