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@freemo @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world

I would just point out that the Arab Revolts of the 30s were due to groups like the Irgun lead by Ze'ev Jabotinsky committing atrocities against Palestinians. Zionists did not show up in any friendly capacity, ever. Zionists explicitly called for, in their words, the colonization of Palestine, from the 1899 Zionist Congress in Baltimore, and thats what they went and did.

Many Hasidim migrated to Palestine and were resolutely, religiously opposed to Zionism until after the Shoah. and they did not seek to colonize Palestinians. and with every Palestinian uprising, tens of thousands of "Israelis" leave. Estimates suggest that between 50 - 70% of Israliens have a foreign passport; those people will all leave. Much of the Haredim will remain, but not the neo-orthodox, which is a weird and larpy thing genocidal secular jews get into in order to become extremists. and the largest Hasidic groups such as Satmar remain strict anti-zionist, and over 50% don't recognize Israel because its clearly an abberation of the Torah.

but most secular liberal zionists are too racist to stay. they want to be White. the zionist dream is to become independent White Europeans who get to lead a scramble for africa of our own.

on the other hand, when it becomes Palestine, I will move there. because a lot of my best friends are Palestinian and I will be able to find decent work and enjoy decolonized palestine and the amazing country and culture they have. I live in Hanoi, Viet Nam, which is the coolest, most properly sovereign decolonial country I've ever been to, and I hope Nablus will one day be the Hanoi of the future.

@rml

For me there is a huge issue with giving land to someone based on race, particularly a group that is 2000+ years removed.. I mean genetically the jews of today are probably very far removed, in part due to them being dispersed.

Its problematic at best.

@freemo @rml I didn’t know this was your position. I’d like to see this too.

@realcaseyrollins

Oh, yes the way it should have happened is palestine should have integrated the jews naturally. If they had (Rather than jews taking land and creating their own country) we would already have a one state solution and that would be great.

But yea my solution has always been a one-state one where both groups have equal rights, vote, right to return, etc.

@rml

@freemo I'm a BDS activist, so don't take this as an attempt to back up zionist narratives, but Jews have recorded history in Palestine wrt to the Jewish-Roman Wars, which saw their expulsion, and Samaritan Jews have had a continued presence in Nablus since ~100BC, and still do today (they are few, maybe 300, but I've been to their village -- they are Palestinians. and yes they are Jews, just not Rabbinical jews; the Pentateuch is Torah, with some key differences).

whether we Ashkenazis have roots in Palestine, I believe just vague traces at the genetic level due to marriages with Sephardic and maybe some Samaritans as well, but from what I understand we're the product of assyrian jews migrating to central asia and marrying with caucasian and turkic tribes, some of which converted to Judaism, and continued migrating westward, eventually settling among germanic tribes in the area that spans from today's Belarus to Estonia.

@rml

I am in no way claiming jews didnt live in the area in anctient times. I think that is well established for sure.

I would say its very reasonable to say palestine was the original home to jews and arabs, and any fair right of return should be a home to both..

I do not beleive in Palestine for the arabs or jews for israel... I beleive in one nation for both since both groups have roots in the land and people should be welcomed to the land they have ancestry from.

Sounds like we mostly agree.

@MariaLiv

I dont think so, a plugin for what exactly? You mean the older wordpress plugin?

@pfefferle

So its done! I finally released a fairly easy to install (from scratch) Hugo based Static Site generator with full ActivityPub support.

It has step-by-step instructions on how to set it up for your own blog or static website.

One of the coolest features for me, other than having your static site blog posts show up as posts in the Fediverse is the support for interacting with those posts. Any replies you leave, likes, or boosts will show up in the "comments" section of the website on the page associated with the post. How cool is that!

@realcaseyrollins

Funny thing is, in some ways crips and bloods get along more... like its not unheard of for a crip or a blood to be hanging out together at a party or even be friends.

@smallcircles

I own cleverthis.com and cleverthis.social... however i was going to use the .com for a company im starting up.. i dont have much use for the *.social and i can use it for this.. but that might be weird.

@skobkin @flear

@renniursy@mastodon.social ahh I see.. yes as someone who was living there till recently I agree... the bulk of people dont hate eachother. The hate is concentrated in a few very violent people on both sides.

@rhertle It was named judae after a biblical reference.. the reason it wasnt called palestine or Israel is because it was neither of those at the time, it was Judae.

@rhertle

Oh you meant Judae ... ok what about it, Judae isnt Israel, it was part of rome.

@rhertle

Cant imagine how he possibly good since even according to the Jews their country was long gone since then.. If you mean they were living in some other country by a different name in the regions, sure.. but there was no Israel when he was alive so i cant imagine there being any evidence he saw it... please feel free to share the source if you have one.

@rhertle He lived 800 years after the fall of israel, assuming israel existed at all... So im not sure anything he says matters much.

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