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@realcaseyrollins

> I cannot speak to what I don’t know about. I’m not going to “downplay”, or condemn, #Israel using, for example, human shields, when I don’t know for sure that they have done that before.

This is kinda my point though... you seem to "know" all this (very valid) things about what the hamas did.. yet you selectively known nothing about the attorcities that israel has done... Both of these are quite visible and easy knowledge to have.

So my point is, having willful ignorance of one side and not the other still holds you accountable for your bias. You are in completer control of what you know, so you are entierly responsible for learning about one side in a debate and not the other... ignorance, when it is known and not resolves, is not an excuse IMO

Nothing person of course,, thats just the hard truth.

@realcaseyrollins

> Imagine if I had said, the hour the planes hit the twin towers on 9/11, “well, we provoked them, y’know” and said nothing about the attack, or American casualties and victims, or how bad the attack was. One could very reasonably infer that I’d be supporting the act of terror due to my downplaying of the situation and deflection of blame.

That isnt a remotely equal analogy.. it would be more like saying. Lets look at the original quote we are turnigninto an analogy again:

> No you dont understand. They flew into occupied territory on hang gliders

your quote does not at all line up with that one. It would be more like if the following was said about 911:

"No you don't understand they used planes in forign USA territory"

While that clearly doesnt paint the full picture of 911 no one would read that and go "thats a lie of omission"... no one would think it is acting like they didnt fly those planes into towers... its just, people know they were flown into towers, it wasnt needed to say that, its assumed, the narrative is known.

@realcaseyrollins By the way her videos is exactly correct... There is no histoical record of any country named israel before the 40's... hamas and terrorism largely arose as a direct result of Israel's invading prior to that there was plenty of confllict and war, but the vast majority of the modern day radicalization was the result of israel and its actions over 80 years.

@ned Please quote the part of what I said that you feel says that?

@d9dba0e072bdb353dfb0020de159126af47e69e133ea91bbd48e8bede37320e2

Huh, I said the exact opposite of what your saying I said... I was saying it makes no sense to go back 3k years...

@realcaseyrollins

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> Ok, but "if she supported Hamas" ... she almost kinda sorta did? And you didn't quote everything.

Agreed, a few more posts have come up since I posted that I didnt know about... After looking them up in context none of them change my opinion. She was supporting the palestinians and the freedom fighters, but she didnt at any point support the war crimes or the hamas (remember not everything that took place was the hamas, this all started with a civilian riot).

> The snarky "I can’t believe the Zionist apartheid regime is being brought down by guerrilla fighters in fake Gucci shirts" feels like grave dancing.

That also wasnt the whole quote and the rest of it is quite important.

The full quote is this:

> “I can’t believe the Zionist apartheid regime is being brought down by guerrilla fighters in fake Gucci shirts — the biopics of these moments better reflect that.”

To me this came across more as saying "The big bad rich bully who has been bombing and killing off my people for 80 years are going to be taken down by a punch of people with no resources, just a bunch of crazy people with sticks... the documentaries better show that"...

To me this is her mocking the very thing her people has been tortured with her whole life. They have murdered and killed her people with a vastly overpowered asymetry (as the result of foreign intervention) and she finds it poetic justice that a bunch of random people with little to no resources are able to topple that.

There is also a point she made that is interesting... 100% of isralis must join the military. While not all are currently active military that means 100% of citizens (not people) were actively military at one point. In their eyes that makes them valid targets... not saying i agree. and i still wont justify these actions... but there is a nugget of logic there. the overwhelming majority of isralis are people who choose to migrate to a land that belond to someone else, choose to pick up a gun, and choose to take the land away from those people.. Even if now they are civilians and out of service, that makes them a valid target in their minds... again.. I dont agree , but I see their logic.

Palestinians on the other hand arent there by choice, they were already there for a very very long time, and when israel invaded by all coming from around th world and gathering, the palestinians, who werent coming from anywhere but already there couldnt leave. So there is a logic there where **most** (not all( israeli citizens are guilty for supporting genocide by their very presence there. Palestnians not so much.

Anyway im ranting.. none of that JUSTIFIES it. I still see what hamas did as war crimes... but all I can say is when you take a population shove them into an open-air prison for 80 years and continually turn off their water and electricity and commit genocide... the natural consequence of that is the people will become increasing desperate and racicalized.. it odesnt maike it right, but it does make it understandable.

@realcaseyrollins

> I’m pretty sure that I’ve condemned what #Israel has done before, as I have never been a fan of their government. I’m not familiar with how they’ve treated the people of #Palestine in general, but I do know that they’re heavy-handed and decreasing democracy within the country, are authoritarian and to my knowledge oppress #LGBT people to some extent as well.

This sounds like far more of a "downplay" than the post you said.. when the Israelis are using small children as human shields during attacks, and this and countless war crimes were official filed with the internation court, which they have refused to show for... then yea thats as much of a downplay as the description you just gave..

I get that its because, as you said, you havent read up on it.. but willful ignorance is as much of a bias as anything else. And Mia may just be as willfully ignorant as you as the other side.

Both of you, as people with bias, seem to be demonstrating that bias against the sides in equal yet opposite ways.

> While I haven’t condemned much of what they’ve done following #Hamas’ attack against them, as I can understand why they’d do it

Sure but then one can argue why were you condeming them right up until the hamas attack? Like they were commiting war crimes right uo until the hamas cranked it up to 11, and no one was saying anything... While it doesnt excuse the hamas the fact is when you commit war crimes and genocide on a people for 80 years you should expect them to become increasingly radicalized.

The hamas in all their brutality are the result of Israel in all its brutality, and vice versa, israel's brutality is the result of the hamas.. The only difference is that the palestinians lived there for 3000 years ... so ther eis that.

And note you cant say "it leaves out the details of the massacre"... cause while this is true, it also wasnt her post, AND since i dont know what the post is in reply to I cant say if that omission was out of bias or out of irrelavance to whatever point might have been made there.

The post reads "No you dont understand... The flew into occupied territory on hang gliders"... What about that statement is inaccurate... Every word of that is entierly factually true, none of that actually supports Hamas, it is simply a statement of fact, that is, exactly what they did. What part of that statement do you even disagree with?

@realcaseyrollins I've never heard you say a single word to condemn anything Israel has done, despite them being an active part in genocide and war crimes every day for the last 80 years.

Should that server as a red flag to me? By your logic it should (it doesnt other than to indicate bias, your still cool thouhg :) )

@realcaseyrollins

Im getting my info largely from israeli news and videos as my israeli friends are sending it to me... Thats what they described and showed me. What part do you disagree with?

@realcaseyrollins

> …she was literally cheering on #Hamas and asking them to release higher quality footage of their attacks on civilians.

No this was during the riot from palestinians, not the hamas attacks itself.

Remember first the citizens rose up and rioted. During the riot hamas placed bombs along the wall. The bombs went off and hamas and palestianians flooded into israel

The act of bombing the walls to their prison and escaping is perfectly ok to cheer on.. It would only be if sheered on the attacks of the hamas (which as far as I can tell she did not) that it wold be an issue.

Jesus fucking shit... a Palestinian speaking for Palestine gets canceled by playboy.

Obviously if she supported Hamas i might be ok with that. But her comments were in support of Palestine, not hamas, and she herself **is a Palestinian**...

For the record these are the comments she made that playboy directly mentioned were the reason for dropping her:

“If you can look at the situation in Palestine and not be on the side of Palestinians, then you are on the wrong side of apartheid and history will show that in time.”

“I can’t believe the Zionist apartheid regime is being brought down by guerrilla fighters in fake Gucci shirts — the biopics of these moments better reflect that.”

“I just wanna make sure there’s 4k footage of my people breaking down the walls of the open air prison they’ve been forced out of their homes and into so we have good options for the history books that write about how how they freed themselves from apartheid.”

This was playboys official statement in response as to why they canceled her:

“We are writing today to let you know of our decision to terminate Playboy’s relationship with Mia Khalifa, including deleting Mia’s Playboy channel on our creator platform,” the company wrote in a message to users (via Daily Mail). “Over the past few days, Mia has made disgusting and reprehensible comments celebrating Hamas’ attacks on Israel and the murder of innocent men, women and children. At Playboy, we encourage free expression and constructive political debate, but we have a zero tolerance policy for hate speech. We expect Mia to understand that her words and actions have consequences.”

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@andypiper

I dont use vercel normally either. I used vercel for the first time for this project and liked it.

To answer your question it depends if you want full features or not.

Witout vercel you wont have the serverless functions. They handle things like accepting new followers. So without vercel (or something to take its place) then people can see your account via the fediverse but following it wouldnt really work (you wouldnt see new posts in your feed and your follow request will never get accepted)... but otherwise it will "work" with limited functionality.

That said the serverless functions can be moved to any platform.

You could in theory get rid of the serverless functions and make it all truely static. If you did that (which would take a bit of coding) then theonly time followers would get confirmed would be when you push a new version of the site.. but otherwise you could, in theory, get the full functionality out of it. with some creativity.

@rml

Excellent context... a lot of that is new to me but some of it not. Regardless this is a great share of info, thanks.