🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@lewriley

NVM i just refreshed your profile on my server and it now shows as your main profile... was able to send a follow request afterall.

@khird

@lewriley

For me your mas.to account is actually showing as forwarding to calkey, not the other way around.

the child porn and a few other incidents with your server were in the past. It wasnt an issue for qoto.org as we never noticed it on our end (if we had we would have blocked) but since we didnt we never blocked.

Calkey has us blocked because they got blocked once and then tried to blame us for "tricking" them so they blocked us.. its a long story.

In the end they wound up on the fediblock.lgbt list and then shortly after that they changed their server name to circumvent the list.

You can still see the old block list though: https://fediblock.lgbt/

@khird

@lewriley

By the way cant seem to follow you.. says you moved but its to a domain that is blocked for child porn (dont worry not accusing you of that).

@khird

@lewriley

Thank you.. that lines up with my assumptions (with a bit more detail)... thanks!

@khird

@admin

Actually that last part I said, I want to modify it a bit...

The resolution should be that the entire Israeli fovernment liquidates as I saidm and that money distributed to all current citizens who want to leave before being absorbed by palestine.

In addition Germany should be required to pay some lump sum of money to help fund any israelis who want to immigrate away as well before beind absorbed.

@ech

@admin

Oh and thank you for your well thought out, reasoned, and practical take..

Obviously i agree with much of it as well.

@ech

@rml Man firefox tab management needs a LOT of attention... Its the only thing stopping me from adopting, the only thing.

@ech

Yea sadly america is a disgrace when it comes to immigration... but thats another matter.

@Yetimon

@CdnCurmudgeon

I care more about his respect for other peoples views than his home.. and likewise respect his personal views so long as he behavers correctly and makes the rightdecisions (not saying they do)

@Yetimon

I mean if your going to give them land anywhere, and take it from someone else, then it should be the germans.

@ech

@admin @ech

> The thing is, it's been 75 years. Israel is now a State. They are there. This is a fact which will not change, if the Israeli government has anything to say about it. The fact is, Israel exists.

This is true, it exists, however illegitimate that existence may be. It should not, however, have the right to continue to exist. Simply because its existance is at the expense and theft from those that have been on that land for a very long time.

The proper result is for israel to apologize, dissolve itself, and put themselves at the mercy of Palestine, or they give 100% of the land back to.. invest whatever resources the country has to enable israelis to leave the country if they wish... liquidate the whole thing, people can take a chunk of the nations wealth and use it to relocate if they can (thankfully they are at most 80 years removed from a proper home).. those that cant or wont relocate will be handled as immigrants by palestine.

YEs I know it will be horrible and displace a lot of people.. but no more so than the Palestinians have already been displaced, and at least that will give them back their home and start righting wrongs.

> Israel's conflict with their neighbors in Palestine goes back much further than the British Occupancy and the League of Nations' decision to create a Jewish State.. and the creation of a Jewish State had less to do with "shoving white people" into the region and more to do with setting up a place for Jews to live which was historically correct, and where Jews could be in control of their own destiny.

Thats the narrative sure, and there is some truth to it.. They wanted to steal land from a group of people because they felt their ancestry from 3000 years ago which they might have 1/400th the genes for still somehow gave them some "right to it"... sorry but thats all nonsense to me. Many many people have left their ancestral homeland, it doesnt give you a right to make a 3000 year old claim against people who have been living there for a long long time.

> Now, the newly minted Israeli government decided that it needed to be strong and militant in order to defend its borders. This militantism rekindled older negative feelings between the Palestinians and other Arabs and the Israelis. As their population grew (due to Right to Return), they ended up needing more land for their people, so the invasions started, etc...

Thats where we are at now, and I do agree... but the invasion started in 1919... the moment a **forteign** power decided toi abuse the land and resources of people living there it was an invasion. a 3000 year old excuse doesnt change that for me.

> Now, the newly minted Israeli government decided that it needed to be strong and militant in order to defend its borders. This militantism rekindled older negative feelings between the Palestinians and other Arabs and the Israelis. As their population grew (due to Right to Return), they ended up needing more land for their people, so the invasions started, etc...

On this, and to some extent in general I agree... THe Isralis are wrong historically.. but as you say its a bit too late... but when the wrong that is israel is only 100 years old.. I'd argue that we cant just ignore the fact that Israel is the invading and occupying force. Which means everything they do is far worse ethically than if they had just always been there and rose up in a civil war or something.

@musictraveler

Speak for yourself, here is the quote of me saying the hamas are terrorists, it just so happens to be the post you are replying to...

> There is absolutely no doubt Hamas, like Israel, is a terrorist group.

Welcome to block now, your a moron and talking to you will only waste my time.

@ech

> h I see! In your earlier post you said “Once the invasion was announced (that is, the international community of jews, along with the UN,”, so pretty clearly 1947

Well im glad we clarified now that this is in refernce to 1917, the first announcement of invasion. Yes I could have been more clear, so not your fault. But now we are on the same page, so great.

> So I thought that’s what you meant by the numbers you gave.

Understandable miscommunication. Glad we resolved that.

> Aside: You know, I’m having a hard time following you. You obfuscate a lot – e.g. calling something “illegal immigration” when you really mean “The British shouldn’t have encouraged Jewish immigration or even been there at all”. I mean, I see your point, and I even agree with you (of course I agree with you) that the British shouldn’t have colonized 99% of the world generally and made this problem a lot worse – in more ways than just that! – specifically. But like it took an awful long time for me to nail down what it was you were talking about! I took you at your word and was thinking you’re saying the Ottomans weren’t enforcing their immigration laws or something.😂 It’s exhausting! in a conversation like this it sure would be easier to follow if we were speaking a bit more precisely.

Words are important, you tried to claim they were just immigrants at the get go... thats very confusing considering they were an invading force and not "just immigrants".. they came there to kill the other side and take their land.

Luckily I am happy to explain if any words confuse you, while I will continue to use, perhaps unusual, but more factually accurate terms you can always just ask if they confuse you. There is a lot of context so I do understand the need to elaborate on any of it, so no worries.

> OK so you really are all in on this “refugee immigration” == “invasion” rhetoric. Like, deliberately. Well, that is disappointing.

I mean they literally showed up with weapons and killed and shot the other side to take the land... it is a **Very** accurate description. In fact to become an Israel citizen you are **required** to pick up a weapon and shoot the other side by israel law. Not just immigrants but those born there.. this has been established since the early days... Like it is **literally** an invasion, those people had weapons and killed others as part of the condition of their immigration.

Calling them simple refugee immigrants is highly unfair considering.

> so you understand how awful that would have been at that point, in 1947, right? I mean, even if you think the initial immigration was a terrible thing, a huge chunk of those people were born in Palestine, even. It’s like the Soviet relocations – I guess you’re thinking of Jewish immigration to Palestine as if it was like that – this was absolutely horrible that they did that, but what are you going to do about the situation in Crimea and other places like that 100 years later?

Well maybe thats why you shouldnt invade another country and take their land by force that you havent had any right to in over 2000+ years... You sure as fuck dont tell them that they now annexed the land for themselves and you kick off the far more densly populated natives as if you somehow have a right.

Like even if they decided to stay, the only ethical way to stay is as a **palestinian** under their laws and following their rules.. Dont like it, well maybe you shouldnt have picked taht country to invade knowing you or your kids might have to be held accountable for your immoral acts.

@musictraveler

I have called hamas terrorists quite a few times....

Try rubbing those two brain cells of yours together and make an argument that might actually disagree with me, I'll wait

@musictraveler

I know youre struggling with a low intelligence here, so I can understand how you might really struggle to understand what I said... dont worry about it, everyone else knows what my comment was in reference to at least.

@admin

thank you

@ech