🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@wjmaggos @volkris

> there's nothing about billionaires here. open economies lead to less poverty and more wealth concentration. that doesn't mean you can't then do something about the latter without putting more people back in poverty.

There literally is you can set whatever filters you want including billionaire

Ya know... I am a little surprised that our president just 2 presidents ago was the first black man in history to be president... seems that was way late, a little surreal to think that **I**. as young as I am, voted for the first black president.

@wjmaggos @volkris

Sorry about that I'm off the phone now.

I basically gave two charts. The first shows world wide poverty rates since the 1800s: https://cepr.shorthandstories.com/history-poverty/

Then for wealth disparity itself (top 0.001% wealth) you go here:

https://fgeerolf.com/data/wid/index.html#European_Union,_United_States

Though you may need to copy the code and run it locally and change it to global to see the correlation first hand.

You can even break it out by country and show just USA if you want.

The correlation between percentage in poverty and wealth disparity is strong and shows a very suggestive connection where more people or wealth concentrated in fewer people results in fewer people in poverty. In other words you only have low poverty when you have more billionaires historically.

Now your turn, show me your data that contradicts this.

@thomasfuchs once you calculate in inflations its just $20

@wjmaggos

Sure making some phone calls to help a friends, ill get the chart again for ya in a hot minute when im off the phone.

@volkris

@wjmaggos

That wasnt what I asked, I asked what events or laws, and what dates constitute this change in open economies. Which we can then check to see if those dates cause corelation.

As for me, I have stated specifically the correlation, that you will se a close following and correlation between two specific data points: wealth disparity, and percentage below the poverty line over long-periods. I have even provided specific numbers to this effect and a chart at one point (happy to give those again).

Still waiting on yours so we can check the correlations there and compare.

@volkris

@SusanBee Medical professionals, who have a higher risk of dealing with sick people and are a very clear vector absolutely should be masking up.

@Gina If you want me to just let me know and give me the number and what to ask and ill be happy to call for you.

@stux

I can link you to the source if you want it.. But look at the front page of my personal web page to see it in action:

https://JeffreyFreeman.me

Note it can combine the output from multiple gitlab servers so my output you see is the combination of https://git.qoto.org and https://gitlab.com

@Gina

Sure what are friends for.

@stux

Did you see the javascript widget I wrote for displaying this calander commit graph on any random website.

@Gina Would you like me to call for you?

@wjmaggos

I didnt ask for the opinion of that article, I want your opinion. I cant debunk or discuss points with an article, nor do I know fromt hat article part part of it you agree, and what are the **measurable** metrics we can look at.

So I ask again, what do you think were the specific laws changes that correlate to this change in poverty and we will then look at the poverty rate and see if we see spikes on those specific dates changing the rates.

@volkris

@wjmaggos

Ok put it to numbers... what laws were passed and when that made this revolutionary change in economies "opening up" and lets see if we see these huge poverty change spikes correlating to it... I have no clue what events your even talking about.

@volkris

@auscandoc

> So far there’s nothing to indicate that SARSCOV2 is going to go away.

Yup

> Unfortunately. Its propensity to mutate to avoid immunity suggests the opposite.

True that is a factor but actually not the main reason. There are two more important reasons:

1) The human immune system attenuates to the same strain over time. So even if there is no mutation you can get the same strain multiple times over relatively short periods (year or two)

2)A large portion of people who catch covid are contagious but completely aymptomatic. I myself have had it 7 times (verified) and only could tell I had it at all once

> Yersinia Pestis never went away. It was the conditions that helped it propagate that improved. Even then the multiple waves of the plague went well beyond a few years.

Not to mention damn near wiped out the bulk of civilization several times over in the process.

@britishtechguru @auscovid19 @DenisCOVIDinfoguy

@wjmaggos @volkris

> the article says there is an effective 6% change in taxes on the wealthy between 1950s and 2014.

The article says we never really had a 91% tax rate, we had an effective ~40% tax rate... Yes having a small effective change in tax rate has a smaller less destructive effect on rich people, whereas if we had an **actual** effective 91% tax rate we would have seen a much larger destructive effect.

Your argumentitive tactics just got really weird and dishonest on that one (the rest I disagreed with but seemed in good faith)... hoping that was just a fluke.

> when we had an amazing economy and lots of govt support for science, infrastructure, education and buying homes.

As the article points out the tax rate was very similar to todays, not the 91% people claim... So your right having a more reasonable tax rate near 40% is why the economy didnt completely collapse and could still do some good.

> middle classes matter more. we see massive poverty with extreme wealth.

See there you go making stuff up again. The actual data directly contradicts this.. AS we see more extreme wealth poverty has objectively went down, but 1/7th of what it used to be when there was far less wealthy.... you cant just make stuff up like that when the data is the exact opposite.

@britishtechguru

Speaking as a COVID-19 research scientist I can tell you yes its here to stay.

AIDS is also here to stay and not eliminated. There are 1.3 million new HIV/AIDS cases world wide each year. In the USA there are fewer cases due to use of condoms but still new cases each year (something on the order of 50,000 new cases a year in the USA).

The black death (plague) also isnt eliminated, we have new cases of it in the USA each year. But since its carried on fleas our modern sanitation has reduced the number of cases significantly, so it is here to stay as well.

The important thing about AIDS and the plague, despite not being eliminated, is these are NOT air borne. They only transfer with close intimate contact of some kind. So while sanitary conditions can greatly reduce (not eliminate them) things like COVID-19 are not at all comparable.

Diseases dont go away usually, AIDS, H1N1, COVID-19 they are here to stay forever. You can wear masks and reduce it to some extent, but the second you stop it will just go right back to baseline (just as stopping wearing condoms would raise AIDS back to baseline).

These diseases are here to stay, forever.

@DenisCOVIDinfoguy @auscovid19

@wjmaggos

> as your article says, the 50s tax rates barely actually had any impact on the wealthy.

The article says nothing of the sort

> except you're wrong about it being a self-destructive thing.

I have presented actual evidence, namely the fact that as wealth disparity increased (more billionaires) the number below the poverty line plummited (from 70% world wide to ~10%)... So the actual numbers are against your assertions and you've done nothing to demonstrate your own stance with facts, just unsubstantiated claims about it being bad.

@volkris

@Gina Id imagine not unless there is some sort of automated key pick up which ive never seen at the airport.

I did use some services though that is interaction free car pickup where they leave the keys in the car for you. Youd be lucky if they do that at the airport...

Why not just call now and ask?