🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@eest9

Right, and as I said it is sad the owner of the instance no longer wanted to run that instance, and a loss, as I already stated... Funny enough the instance used a blacklist and as far as I know no one on taht instance once complained about that word or as a reason for them leaving. They used the term themselves in fact.

@realcaseyrollins @ourdiaspora @cwebber

@eest9

Also lets be clear here, they had about a dozen active users a week. Most of those users moved on to other servers.. so hardly the mass exodus or "loosing the black community" that you suggest. While I do agree that it is sad they felt there was anti-black sentiment, it is also the opinion of a very small number of people. That doesnt make it any less true, nor am I saying they are wrong. But it does mean you dont get to imply that there is a mass exodus of black people in order to win an argument that they themselves never voices as a concern in the first place.

Please dont use random black people who never said what you are saying to try to win an argument. That is not being helpful.

@realcaseyrollins @ourdiaspora @cwebber

@eest9

Oh you meant a single instance choosing to shut down.. many of whose members had alts or moved to other instances. Very different than a max exodus of the black community but I see what you are refering to now.

So you are asking me if I feel it is bad that a blasck-oriented instance shut down (please be more precise with your words)... I think its ashame they felt they had to shut down due to anti-black sentiment, so yes I agree that server going down was a loss to the community.

@realcaseyrollins @ourdiaspora @cwebber

@eest9

would depend on who and why, im not familiar with any sort of a movement resulting in max exodus of blacks from mastodon. All my black friends on mastodon are still here and havent mentioned anything about this, so I dont have the information needed about that to make a judgement call.

@realcaseyrollins do you happen to know anything about what he is talking about and maybe add your perspective here, since I myself am unaware of the exodus he refers to.

@ourdiaspora @cwebber

@eest9

I explained the damage, it would cause me, as someone against racism, to appear to be absurd, it would appear that i see racismw here none exists, and would cause my message of anti-racism to loose credibility and ultimately make people dismiss messages of legitimate racism..

You basically just asked "what is the harm in crying wolf even if there is no wolf"... well we have a story for that.

@ourdiaspora @cwebber

@eest9

This just in, the actual colors white and black are now racist and shall be banned from all use in society and the words considered hate speech.

Come on now, there is **real** racism out there to worry about and arguing this nonsense only allows the real racism to thrive by making those of us who are truly against racism look completely discredited by association.

You think you are helping, but you are perpetuating racism with this stuff.

@ourdiaspora @cwebber

@eest9

how you figure, I associate white lists with bad things because they block by default, and therefore block the whole universe, those on the list would represent the privliged few, and elite... ergo i associate white lists with bad not good.

Black lists the reverse they are inviting by nate, inclusive to everyone and only exclude a few people, therefore I associate black lists with good.

Forthermore its complete nonsense to think everyone is going to associate the actual color white with race.

I guess by this logic we cant make vanilla icecream white anymore because that would associate white with good, and we can no long depict poop as brown/black because people will associate that with race too..... The level of absurdity that "we cant have bad things that are the color black or good things that are the color white" are so monumentally beyond absurd I am astonished anyone is arguing this in earnest.

@ourdiaspora @cwebber

@eest9
Except that it isnt racist coded words, never has been, not just in terms of intent but usage. There is literally nothing racist on any conceivable level about those words. Its astounding im even needing to defend literal colors of inanimate objects.
@ourdiaspora @cwebber