🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@Andrii

> ah i hear you are under the impression that you can control all the people you interact with using fear and anger.

No wrong again, this is where your lack of humility keeps screwing you over.. you assume what someone means, jumped to conclusions based on your own assumptions, and fail to actually listen to what the person says in the least and instead just come up with your own fictional intepritation of what they said.

why not instead of telling people what they just said you try actually asking, learning, and considering rather than relying on your rather gigantic ego to assume?

Neither fear nor anger has **anything** to do with it. I do not wish anyone. My response does not and is not intended to elicit fear, and at no point do I expiernce anything remotely resembling anger, someone not earning my respect does not make me angry, it is unfortunate, that is all.

I have had to repeat myself on this point several times, so it tells me you are incapable of learning or listening to others and are only capable of preaching what you believe and your trapped by that, unable to interact with the real world in any meaningful way as a result. but i will explain it one last time.

The point is not fear, it is about reward. When a person acts cruely their intention is to use the cruelty to get there way, usually the expression of anger. By not rewarding that by showing them it does not achieve their intended goal, but instead causes the exact opposite effect (they loose respect) then it tells them that their actions are self defeating for them. This isnt something that will induce fear, they arent going to fear acting that way, they will simply realize that acting that way does not achieve their goals, and behaving appropriately does

> Yes so the service to self hierarchies are made in that fashion I think you will feel right at home there. For example the Dark Fleet or China/North Korea.

Nope, since you have a dozen times now got the defining axiom incorrect (see above part of this message) your conclusions and suppositions based on that axiom such as this are likewise incorrect.

You keep trying to desperately force a perspective that doesn't fit the reality and over and over again you keep repeating yourself even when you've been shown that your underlying assumption is wrong..

You are literally so desperate to believe you are some enlightened preacher all you can hear is your own words and no matter how many times i demonstrate why you arent even close to the reality all you can do is repeat yourself and not even address what i said.. its like your not even hearing it.

Man that ego on you, it is crippling.

@akeno @ohellno @phicyclist

@Andrii

As I stated earlier, punishment was in quotes for a very specific reason. It was only to show the parallels with biblical teaching and example.. as I already said (but apparently you refuse to actually listen to anyone other than yourself) a better term would be "consequences for ones actions".

when a person or even a pet or animals hurts someone else and exhibits bad behavior the worst thing you could do is praise them regardless. That reinforces the behavior and is equivalent to perpetuating the behavior.

When you show they get positive responses for positive behavior then it reinforces positive behavior.

It has nothing to do with punishment, it has to do with the fact that the individual needs to realize that their negative actions will not get them what they want and will not be rewarded, and thus any incentive for them to behave that way is removed.

You on the other hand, by treating them positively when they are acting cruely reinforces that behavior, perpetuates it and encourages the person to behave cruely.. you are directly causing cruelty to breed and spread in the world by your own choices, because you wish to be self-serving and avoid conflict yourself rather than to deal with the project head on and thus serve others.

@ohellno @phicyclist @akeno

@phicyclist

Andrii has invested more time in this thread than me (his responses have been considerably longer than my own)... so based on your logic it seems you think andrii is the one who has negativity eating away at his soul..

letting go and moving on is just fine, personally id rather engage people in the hopes they can learn from my actions and help me make the world a better place by adopting my reasoning. If i didnt engage with andrii there would be no hope of that.

A few seconds out of my day to respond isnt much of a burden given the potential rewards.

@Andrii @ohellno @akeno

@zleap

yea when a FB account is suspended it doesnt tell you its suspended just gives a generic error

@hntooter

@zleap

Well an employer would just see you dont have an account.. would look like you had never been on facebook at all.

@hntooter

@zleap

Agreed, and it applies to a lot of services.. Facebook is a great example of this. I can tell you of a dozen stories of friends who lost their accounts temporarily and sometimes permanently over a FB moderation that clearly just didnt understand the situation and there wasn't any real violation in play. But because there is no one to talk to to explain the situation there simply was no solution. With FB being so prevalent for most people to keep in touch with each other this is not just a trivial consequence for them.

@hntooter

@Andrii

No one has been witheld compassion, still preaching and refusing to have even an ounce of humility huh?

My policy of forgiving anyone who apologizes who has wronged me, and giving them the option of being treated with respect should they wish to behave respectfully **is** compassion..

A lack of compassion would be to either enable their bullying (and thus perpetuate it onto others), which is what you are doing, or to not offer them a path to forgiveness.

Your choices are a complete lack of compassion under the guise of compassion because its the one that benefits **you** the most (by avoiding conflict) at the expense of everyone else (by enabling cruelty and passing it on to the next person).

@ohellno @phicyclist @akeno

@thewismit looks like it yes

@thewismit there is, though i dont have the link to it anymore

@tombies@social.tchncs.de

ahh, the way he worded it it sounded like he was in front of the shop and took the picture

@stux @JonathanMBR

@stux

Did you blur their faces or were their faces on the sign already blurred?

@JonathanMBR

@Andrii
I admitted it (said the same thing) on my very first message on the topic and several times after. You were just too busy listening to your own voice
@ohellno @phicyclist @akeno

@metalcrow

@Andrii

I had put the word punishment in quotes for good reason, in reality it is a consequence of the speaker for being rude more so than a punishment.

@ohellno @phicyclist @akeno

@phicyclist

Yup, just as anyone I interact with who has lost my respect has infinite time to apologize and change their ways and would be easily forgiven and treated with respect again. So I'd say I follow the example well enough.

@Andrii @akeno @ohellno

@2ck most people would be cautious, its natural. But chances are youll find out it probably wasnt necessary :)