🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@Gina I thought you were way higher and my heart skipped a beat when you fell.

I used to do this when i was young, I would love to get back into it.

@icedquinn

Thats nonsense, you can literally see the bullet doing damage and how and why it caused the resulting death.

But regardless we can show it statically. Look at how many people die from being shot and compare it to how many random people die from the same causes in the same time period.. we call this normalization. If the gun shot death rate is higher then we know gunshots cause death.

Notice how you completely skipped the step of normalization on the ARES data though?

@nanook @sergeantcat @Pat

@icedquinn

Whether the number was 6k or 12k point is they made it quite clear this is **not** the number of people who died from the vaccine, nor is it in any way significant as I already explained why.

@nanook @sergeantcat @Pat

@icedquinn

Did you read what you just linked.. It literally made very clear that the 6K number was **not** deaths due to covid vaccin. That is literally the number of all people who happened to die after a COVID vaccine regardless of cause. Not at all what you suggested it to be.

Moreover it says nothing to say that number is higher than past years, not a thing, unless you normalize for the total number of vaccines given. Obviously the COVID vaccine is administered in hugh numbers over a very short period of time. Much more so than we usually see for vaccines. So even if the risk is no greater we would expect to see a higher count.

So yea, that whole statement is rather trivially debunked.

@nanook @sergeantcat @Pat

@icedquinn

Source please.

@nanook @sergeantcat @Pat

@icedquinn

Then your statement is patently false. VARES has not reported 10K deaths due to the vaccine, nor are most entries in VARES actually determined to be due to the vaccine, thats not how VARES works.

@nanook @sergeantcat @Pat

@icedquinn

Please cite your 10k figure and how it compares to other vaccines. I've seen nothing to suggest it causes any more deaths than vaccines in the past for the most part.

That said, the number of deaths alone wouldnt be a measure for safety. Ultimately with all drugs the measure is simple... Does the drug improve your chance of survival by taking it, or not. A vaccine can cause as many deaths as it causes, so long as the overall number of deaths is reduced then its a win.

@nanook @sergeantcat @Pat

@thedonnerd Yea it was one of my early favorites. Still young enough to get scared by Steven King at that point... these days I wonder how he ever managed to scare me honestly.

@icedquinn

Indeed, and I think its a fine stance to say "since the long term safety is established I will treat this as unsafe"... but its still a leap to go from that to say "the proof is in, and its clearly unsafe"

@nanook @sergeantcat @Pat

@hans_w Everything on my list except for the first one I think most people would find "a bit heavy"... pretty sure thats what attracted me to them in the first place.

@Pat

Not sure I see the connection.

@sergeantcat

@nanook

To me thats patently false as well. While I think its fine to be cautious and long term safety is mostly an unknown, any claim that it is demonstrably unsafe at this junction is just as invalid as saying it is demonstrably safe.

In short we have no evidence that is safe or unsafe long term.

@Pat @sergeantcat

@mrpink Hi there! Welcome.

Here are a few of my top favorite books (fiction) at different points in life from about 9 years old on (no particular order):

- The Farthest Away Mountain
- Lord of the Rings
- The Stand
- Dune
- Dante's Inferno

#books #literature #writing

@surasanji She certainly looks like your type!

@surasanji Your wife?

@sergeantcat

All very reasonable. I'd say the most responsible thing to do is wait about 2 years from the initial vaccine being released and at that point consider the safety. Anything less just seems a bit reckless to me unless your high risk or something.

@Pat