I just heard today that plants are made mostly of air, and a little water. Most of the structure of plants are carbon from CO2, and hydrogen from the rain. Just a very small amount is minerals from the soil.
@freemo
And almost 9 pounds of water ( if I did my math right)
@stux It isnt as small as it looks from this image. If your eyes were sensative enough to light that you could see it with the naked eye it would appear 6x larger than the size of the moon in the sky.
@axxss Have you tried sky ginger, it is ground ginger's mortal enemy!
I suspect the delay is to deal with delete and redraft issues that would arise, not sure though.
@danny @freemo @yarmo
The way I take it, you're only taking care of your half of the problem. The other, bigger(understatement) half is upstream and is a different battle that individuals can only fight by making appeals to companies and politicians. That's a whole 'nother beast that most people aren't equipped to get down n dirty with as compared to peacefully, quietly, solitarily planting gardens.
Thats a very human reaction, but in a way it isnt anymore upstream nor is it ant less empowering. In fact kinda the opposite if you think about it.
If you reduce 1 gallon of gasoline my rough estimate suggests you'd be eliminating around 5 lbs of plastic from being produced. Plastic is pretty light so thats a LOT of plastic by volume.
If you take a train for a long trip rather than drive you could be eliminating enough plastic to fill a room.
You are more empowered than ever before, you were just focusing on the wrong things to drive change is all.
@freemo @yarmo I always felt that recycling plastic was only partially effective but a cursory read suggests I was underestimating the problem. This conversation has been enlightening, if depressing! The problem for me is that the further upstream the solution lies, the less effective I think my small effort to address the issue will be and the less empowered I feel. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-the-public-into-believing-plastic-would-be-recycled
@waltercool People in hollywood have entire careers based on attention. It shouldnt surprise anyone they are going to say whatever helps their popularity at the time, and little more.
@saera If attendence is still up thats great! Better than I can say for many conferences. Perhaps being in Australia attendence is improved since so many would otherwise have to travel from outside the country. USA conferences on the other hand tend to have a large portion of attendees as locals so they probably are the ones taking the bigger hit.
@saera Very cool. I suspect part of the low turnout may be the streaming. Conferences in general, since many moved to streaming, have had low turnouts sadly. Send me a message tomorrow (I might forget) and we can discuss the details and see if i cant help out with a talk.
I agree tackling it from both ends is great. My point though is that how you tackle it from the consumer end, if you wish to have a positive impact, looks a lot different than people think it does.
On the one hand avoiding microplastics is a must, as is throwing trash out your window and not in a dump to be processed. But recyling, I cant see how recycling plastic has any positive impact.
In fact since recylcing probably consumes more energy than working with fresh new plastic I wouldnt be surprised if the numbers worked out to suggest that recycling causes **more** harm in the case of plastics. Just speculation, but either way I cant see how recycling of plastics is improving the situation (unlike the other suggests)
@Co I'm pretty sure mac users dont even know that their computer has hardware in it at all. They think the images wind up on the screem through fiber optic cables direct from mac HQ that is just fed by a projector displaying the screen on the other end.
@saera I would need some information to know if I would have the time to invest in it. I could probably make the time to put together a presentation of however long, but a writeup for submission if it needs to be anything too complex, might be a time sink that puts it over the edge for me.
The conference is all via streaming? What would the audience size be? The lack of travel means i can more likely fit it in.
Because recycling doesn't effect the amount of new plastic produced, so what is it fixing. If the amount of plastic produced is the same no matter if you buy plastic or recycle it, then the total amount of plastic int he world increases at the same rate regardless.
So that being true when you recycle, what problem is it fixing? If I recycle it or bury it in the ground both of them ensure that plastic never makes into the wild, and neither option effects whether or not other plastics become discarded to the wild.
The point of recycling is to conserver limited resources. That doesnt fit the description of plastic. It makes sense to recycle metal however because when you do it means we will mine and manufacture that much less new metal.
I suppose it depends on what you mean by community related.
The closest thing I can think of that is community related is a next-gen APRS protocol that will be backwards compatible with APRS. APRS is a radio service that provides a long-range public mesh network used to relay services, emergencies, information, and position tracking, so its sorta community oriented.
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