🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@pthenq1

Using fear to win has been the norm since 9/11 onward. Trump just was the first one who lacked any tact when doing it and was transparent in the fact that he was stoking the fires of animosity between americans,.

@saitei

@pthenq1

Can you name a time where Nazis came to power where they werent first censored en masse? In germany they were extremely unpopular and even persecuted before the popular sentiment suddenly shifted and they rose to power. We see a huge upsurge recently of racist authoritarian types like nazis that seems very clearly to be a result of recent censorship efforts by social media and mainstream news generally having bias. I see the same as largely the pattern around the world, authoritarian racist regimes always seem to be preceeded by an attempt of censorship that directly results in attention and ultimately a rise of power being focused on the bad agents such as nazis.

@saitei

@saitei

A big part of the homeless problem in california has little to do with the government there. Most homeless go there because its one of few places with a mild enough winter temperature that they wont die from exposure.

@pthenq1

@pthenq1

California, or at least southern California, was built almost entirely by Mexicans. Whites are the immigrants there.

@saitei

@pthenq1

Saying they arent american is more of a joke than a serious jab.

@saitei

@pthenq1

I recall local rioting for both Milo and Ben Shapiro on multiple occasions. The problem with the approch of nazis not getting a voice is that in all the times I've seen that approach taken the end result was the rise of Nazis, including the very first time.

@saitei

@pthenq1

Biden absolutely is creating division, but not at the same level that Trump is.

"You ain't black if you dont vote for me".. not to mention his extremely racist past as a whole, tends to create a lot of division out there in its own rights.

His complete disregard for personal freedom with the vaccine mandate stuff has also created a huge amount of decision.

The difference is Biden is a far better liar than Trump is. He can get up there and give a speech that sounds ok and you might be more able to accept his form of evil. Trump on the other hand was evil but he thought he wasnt and as such did very little to hide it.

@realcaseyrollins

@pthenq1 I'd be hesitant to excuse one violence because of other violence, though you arent wrong.

The truth is in many ways there has been a race war in the USA that goes back long before the generation alive. whites and their supporters have long since murdered or abused blacks, and blacks and their supporters have long since attacked and abused whites. Its a vicious circle and like any long fought war there is a lot of hate on both sides for the other and a lot of violence carried out in that name.

I would never claim whites are innocent or that we didnt do a lot of (if not most of) the invoking with the slavery and the lynching, and chauvin an all the rest. There is also no shortage of black violence against "the establishment" (whites) in one sense or another and the violence during the protests was just one example of that.

In the end we wont solve any of this mess if you keep accepting or excusing any part of the circle of hate. That means being sternly against the violence of one side just as much as you are against the violence of the other. Yes this could have been stopped if Chauvin wasnt a murderer, then we wouldnt have had protests... just as the protestors could have no burned down homes and businesses and cars.

The blame game never works, everything that is is the result of an endless chain of cause and effect. We cant focus at the tip of the spear but we rather need to recognize the whole chain and how every link in that chain is wrong.

@saitei

Since I have worked in IT out of california many times my view of californias is going to be very skewed as my "sample" is not really the general population.

That said I have found californians to be extreme democrats usually favoring very excessive regulation to solve all of lifes problems. I would laugh at Cali when i was there because everything you bought and everything you did usually accompanied with fine print at the bottom of a sign that was half the length of the sign. I remember going to a park once and needed a lawyer to interpret the small-print at the bottom of the visitors welcome sign about all the things you cant do.

That said while I strongly disagree with the authoritative approach californians tend to embrace I wouldnt personally describe them as incapable of nuance, where they fail is their response to that nuance. They are often very bright people (in my circles) and more than capable to hold an intelligent well detailed argument. But in the end they just have their priorities all backwards where getting people to conform is more important than personal freedoms.

@pthenq1

@pthenq1

Oh you live in california... sorry I did not know this. For some reason I cant recall now I thought you lived in spain.

One could argue California is their own country, and they wouldnt be too far from the truth. But no I will give you credit as an American then.

That said im sure the democrats rioted in cali like they did on the east coast so much. California pretty strongly leans democrat so there wasnt much need for clashes I would think.

@saitei

@pthenq1

who is to blame aside, there is no doubt trump, partly because he lacked any sense of diplomacy in how he spoke, caused way more divide than unification.

In many ways Trumps biggest flaw was not his policies or making fun of the disabled or any of those things (which are valid criticisms in his their own right) but instead the fact that he seemed to intentionally want to create division. Not that other politicians like Biden dont do the same. But Trump took that to an extreme and seemed to be central to his whole campaign.

@realcaseyrollins

@pthenq1 apology accepted. I would highly advise against that approach in the future, it is an ugly one IMO and derails a conversation more oftne than it helps.

Anyway the key point here is I was a huge supporter of why they were protesting (better treatment of blacks was a big part of it). Its not the protests I objected to, it was the extreme violence that they carried out while they protested. I will never excuse violence in the name of a just cause, or any cause.

@saitei

His racist comment was the very first time ive seen him do that in all the time I knew him. I cant say I liked that tactic but it had less hate in it than most racism at least I guess ::shrug::... it is a shame that the first time your interacting with him is with that message honestly.

Either way I understand your reaction given the extent of violence we all went through at the hands of democrats for 4 years, even myself who opposed Trump got a lot of abuse from that side of the table.

@pthenq1

@saitei

Me and him have argued about these points in detail. While I disagree with him, like you, he has shared enough links and videos and made enough comments on fine details that it would suggest he did some degree of research.

@pthenq1

@pthenq1

1) I am not white, I am native american

2) very racist and quite rude of you to judge me based on my race ragardless, worse yet when you dont know what my race is and assume.

3) native americans have a far bloodier history of being the victim of racism than any other group.

@saitei

Ideally yes, more digging is in order. But when the landscape is so marred with misinformation I cant really hold it against someone who navigates that landscape and comes to the wrong conclusion despite doing research.

@pthenq1

@pthenq1 not sure I follow. How does you wearing a seatbelt protect the other person?

@saitei

Even a google search will give you a lot of contradictory opinions and videos, I can certainly understand the incorrect impression one might get without being at ground 0.

@pthenq1

@realcaseyrollins

I do hope this is true.. too early to tell but I wont reject the idea either.

@pthenq1