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@darth its a rampant problem sadly. Im trying to build out a federation of instances to try to address this called the UFoI, but yea its disheartening to see :(

UFoI.org

@philipncohen

Thanks. It is an ongoing problem but the new federation we are forming should be a powerful force against it in the end.

@tonic

@EubieDrew hmm ive never heard of this... So when you click the checkmark it wont go away?

@LouisIngenthron nopt always.. some apps will be very aggressive in polling the server and when you are using multiple clients this can reach the rate limit.

I had this problem and had to stop using my phone app in order to fix it.

@roko

Let your instance admin know your opinion and see if he might consider joining then.

@tio @admitsWrongIfProven

@roko

Thats more or less accurate. Outside of the UFoI instances can choose how they federate. Inside the UFoI they should federate.

If an instance in the UFoI shows itself to be a bad actor and worthy of defederation then there is a transparent process centered around due process that is used to eject a bad actor instance from the UFoI at which point its members can decide to defederate if they wish to.

@tio @admitsWrongIfProven

@roko

Yea, without UFoI the only way you can garuntee you and your friends all communicate is if you all join free speech servers (servers that dont defederate from anyone).

The nice thing about UFoI is it solves the problem while still allowing instance admins to defederate from bad actors.

@tio @admitsWrongIfProven

@freemo @tio @admitsWrongIfProven

Say if I joined an instance and my friend joined another, if one of our instances block the other then we can't communicate anymore, this is a big problem with defederation. I can of course ask my friends to join the same instance I'm on, but this will lead to centralization which is bad for fedi. This is where #UFoI comes in, its a group of instances that I know for sure will be federated with each other, so I can just ask my friends to join one of the instances listed there.

And the transparency bit is something I really appreciate, I know there are some bad actors on fedi that engage in slandering and false accusations without any evidence backing their claims, so I hope #UFoI can solve these issues.

Free speech 

@Ryle Well thats not so bad then...

I mean i do think consideration of freespeech is important... but no ideology should be absolute either. There are reasonable limits.

Free speech 

@Ryle So people are attacking you for NOT being freespeech now?

@tonic @philipncohen

As tonic stated this has happened many times before to great effect, and without needing to setup an instance at all. See this write up I did that explains this very thing happening:

jeffreyfreeman.me/eugen-rochko

There is an effort I helped start to address this issue, you can check it out here:

UFoI.org

@LouisIngenthron Do you have an app for QOTO on your phone as well? Perhaps fedilab?

@colinsmatt11

Yes I am the one who started the UFoI, but we are now a group of over 20 instances in the pending stage of launch... Once we are launched it will be fully democratic.

You should join, it seems like what you are going for.

@thor

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