🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@peterdrake

> Where do you provide it? I don't see it on the qoto "about" page.

It is a pinned post on my page, we also send it as a message to most new users. I linked you to it.

> Intriguing! This sounds like the best of both worlds: individual users don't have the burden of importing (and regularly updating) a list of bad-faith servers, but if they really want to peek at one, qoto won't stop them. (I'm sure someone will complain about even being suspended, but that's another issue.)

Agreed it does solve your legitimate issue of needing to update your own block list. It lets you keep a clean feed with no effort.

> To be clear, I don't claim that *I* am being harassed here. What I'm seeing looks like a deliberate campaign of harassment against several marginalized communities.

Are you talking about racist posts that happen to be out int he fediverse somewhere? Or are we talking about harassment, where posts are sent as direct messages to them? There will always be bad people on the internet, luckily you dont see that nonsense if you arent looking for it. If someone is being harassed by someone actively pushing cruel messages at them then that is far more concerning from a moderation perspective, especially if its an organized attack. If that is happening I'd want to address it.

> I didn't report it because (a) I thought reporting it to the source servers would be pointless because they're absolutely full of this stuff and clearly don't care, (b) I thought reporting it to qoto would be pointless because they're not harassing a specific individual who has asked them to stop, and (c) it feels like whack-a-mole, as these toots are not all coming from the same account or even the same server.

Well you may be right.. it depends. Like I said if they are hopping servers to circumvent bans then QOTO would act on it.. If they are just racist comments that exist somewhere that may be a bit more problematic to address.

> I'm not complaining about the qoto leadership not being omniscient. I'm just expressing the concern that not protecting users from this attack vector makes qoto an unsafe place for marginalized people.

Why dont we leave that for the maginalized people to decide? As I said it is at their request, and for their safety, we have an open policy in the first place.

@gamehawk

@peterdrake

One other quick but important content for you... If you want the expiernce of mastodon.social (or any other) in terms of blocking instances, its trivial... Go to their about page, export their block list as a csv (there are extensions that let you do that in one click), then import it as your personal block list.. in just a few seconds of effort your federated feed will be as clean as the other instance.

So really no excuse to have an admin do it for you when its so simple to do it yourself in seconds.

@gamehawk @trinsec

@peterdrake

Also keep in mind our policy of letting users decide what to see was specifically done at the insistance of our LGBTQ+ community years ago (and something they repeat every time it comes up).

Users didnt want their hands tied and forced to see what some admin told them they could see, the reason was safety. We have a LGBTQ community here who uses the open-federation policy as a means to monitor violent or racist;/sexist accounts across the fediverse. We are the only server that protects them and are inclusive locally (as you pointed out) that doesnt curtail their freedom to choose for themselves what they can or cant see. So we are the only place they really can go.

So every time we talk about defederating and changing our policy their voices are heard and we ultimately decide not to for their safety.

In short I wont put actual LGBTQ and minorities at risk simply because some white people with white guilt are offended that they can see bad people on the internet. Block the bad servers, import the block list, problem solved.. but unless you are a minority I will differ to our actual minorities here when it comes to what makes them feel safe.

For the record I have reiterated this many times in the past.

@gamehawk @trinsec

@gamehawk

Well we provide a blocklist you can import.. So yes we do let our users decide what they want to see rather than forcing it on them.. yes id say that counts as "push that work onto you", but considering importing the block list takes a few seconds I would say trading the freedom to decide for yourself for a few seconds worth of effort is more than worth it.

Also we are working on a technological solution whereby the qoto admins can start "suspending" servers and individual users can opt-out and override it and see it anyway. Once that tech is complete we will be the first server that not only provides a moderated federated feed but allows our users the freedom of choice to opt out of it.

Now more to your point.. you say you are being harassed... why have you not reported it so we can act? The **one** reason we will suspend a server is because someone from another server circumvents user bans (including hoping servers).. If you (or any of our users) had reported it we could have acted.

Why do you think the problem will solve itself when this is literally the first time you or anyone has mentioned an issue? I can say I know I personally havent gotten a single incident of harassment in months (largely because I block the few bad servers)....

So can you be more specific about the issues, problematic servers, and what resolution you want to see?

@peterdrake

@kirt

I can confirm this

@khird @trinsec @barefootstache @QOTO

@Pat

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@PhDMarie

@PhDMarie

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@Pat