🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@admitsWrongIfProven @antares @thatguyoverthere

You think, despite being disproven by example, that forcing mental health consequences means people with mental health issues wont be doing the thing.

You think the choice is between crazy people with guns/planes vs sane people.

The reality is the argument is treated people who are now mentally healthy flying/owning planes/guns vs untreated people.

It amazes me the republicans are out here trying to argue for better access to emntal health meanwhile democrats are trying to punish people who need access to mental health.

You got it all backwards man.

@admitsWrongIfProven @antares @thatguyoverthere

I woukd say pilotes with mental health issues should not be grounded, 100%. Science is about going with what the nunbers say even when it defies your biases and assumptions.

We know for a fact that the result of groubding people with mental health issues means more people with mental health issues wind up in the pilots seat.

Are you claiming we should enact policies that are known to objectively increase the number of mental health issues flying planes?

@antares @thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven

It amazes me this needs to be told to antigun folks at all

@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @robryk

Id agree but i think it needs to be less punishment oriented and more recovery oriented. If your on parol i think its ok to have to prove yourself

@robryk @admitsWrongIfProven

Thats true, first diagnosis may not need to stick.

So how about this, handke it like a court. A person takes a standard test with standard questions. If all 12 of 12 randomly selected doctors who arent allowed to talk all come up with ide tical diagnosis it sticks. The person can appeal once a year and if even one doctor disagrees with the diagnosis the diagnosis is repealed.

I dont personally support this due to other concerns of abuse. But if this woukd be at all workable youd need a blind diagnosis requiring consensus.

@admitsWrongIfProven @robryk

Youd need a standardized way, and frankly psychiatry juat gets it wrong too often, e en if i did trust the govt to act responsibly i dont think the medical institutions are able to reliably and accirately diagnose people. False positives are rampant, which isnt so harmful for a person seeking help(you usually try deveral competing diagnosis ubtil one works). But in a gun ownership setting where the first, and likely wrong, diagnosis sticks... yea no sorry that just sounds like a bad move.

@robryk @thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven

While that might aflddress part of the concern it seems a recipie for abuse, especially in a field that is known for quite an abundance of false positives and inconsistency when it comes to diagnosing.

Its basically the equivelant of saying "Get some government agent to talk to you, if you feel suspicious you can just deny them a gun"... i mean if you want to create a standardized test for it maybe, but even then sounds like a recipie for abuse.

@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius

Kts all good. Fairly minor really. Just wanted to point it out

@admitsWrongIfProven you asked for short term and immediate solutions. Fixing poverty is very impactful but also more of a long term sokution and not quite as easy to address

@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius

I agree exageration isnt really the factor that makes it bad faith. The mocking is strongly suggestive though, which is how the exageration comes across.