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@pmonks @MikeBon

And as ive responded with cou tless times, since making charitabke donations costs you more money rsther than saving overall it is not a tax loophole or an advantage in anyway. So the fact that poor people dont make donations has no relevancy here.

@pmonks @MikeBon

You passed good faith a while ago, as im sure you see why your argument is nonsense...

If you have not donated to anyone then you wont be writing off somethibg you never did. So they have access to the writeoff they just wont use it.. but since using it costs you more than it saves it is moot as has been pointed oit many tines since it isnt an advantage in the first place.

@pmonks @MikeBon

If they hav no disposable income and are so poor they can only afford enough food and shelter to live then they dont pay taxes as thry are below the threshold. Therefore they already have 0 taxes and there is nothing to grt cuts on.

@pmonks @MikeBon

There is nothing to detail, you literall just put the total in the little space on your taxes then attach the receipts and itemized list of donations as a form 8283 which you only have to do for amounts over 500 if its under that you dont need to show proof but can still claim it.

@pmonks @MikeBon

The same way the rich do. There is a little form on your taxes hou write it in.

@pmonks @MikeBon

Yes everyone has ACCESS to the charitable giving deductions. And anyone who donates to charity is likely to leverage it, and should. But it isnt a money saver and since those two messages were in thr context of loopholes it is irrelevant either way.

@pmonks @MikeBon

I didnt say thry dont benefit from tax deductions.. if you cant e en listen to the basic things people say enough to repeat what they said accurately how do you expect people to keep interacting with you?

I am not retracting the claim. The poor have equal access to charitable deductions. They engage in fewer of thrm so would use them less, but since its not a loophole or something a person can exploit to save money it isnt relevant to my claim.

@pmonks @MikeBon

They dont, and you really arent listening.. how does a rich person use the loophole to save money? If they make 200 million and spend 10 million on charity in orser to save 1 million in taxes all they did was cost themselves 9 million. So it is not a loophole for the rich or the poor, it isnt a loophole for anyone...

@pmonks @MikeBon

In other words it isnt a tax loophole at all since you cant spend money and walk away saving more than you spend. Since it cant be exploited to reduce your overall costs its not a loophole for anyine

@pmonks @MikeBon

Nope.. both those statements still hold true. I was asking for an example where the rich could leverage loopholes to get out of taxes the poor cant. Since you dont save money by making charitable donations this does not satisfy the premise.

@pies @MelodyCooper @zack

Thry do.. do i need to tell you a 10th time why correlation is not causation?

@pmonks @MikeBon

They cant, nor can the rich because it isnt a tax advantage.. spending 100k on charity to save 10k on taxes isnt an advantage to the rich either nor is it a means to save money.

@pmonks @MikeBon

So it says exactly what i thought it says.. as isaid before its not a tax advantage for the rich or anyone since you spend more in giving donations than you get in tax cuts. So neither the rich the poor nor anyone can exploit it to save on taxes, it isnt a net savings.

@koyu@koyu.space well what can a friend do to help?

@pmonks @MikeBon

Read it a fourth time now.. nope it says exactly what i thought it said...

@pmonks @MikeBon

Dont be a passive aggressive ass. If you feel i misinterprited the discussion feel free to speak up. Otherwise lets not go there

@pies @MelodyCooper @zack

No i didnt say that

@zack @MelodyCooper @pies

He really does keep usi g classic antivax tactics.. frustrati g

@pies @zack @MelodyCooper

Do you understand why the prevelance of only thr **diagnosed** mental illness in a country with horrible mental health access is nonsense?

And yes compared to other rich coubtries the usa is clearly already farther into the red than the mean. So even if you ignore the glaring issue you are still in the wrong

@pies @zack @MelodyCooper

The source you just provided shows the usa as very high in mental illness relative to the rest of the world.. but it also isnt data that is normalizng for lack of access to mental health, so despite being in the red the actual data is undoubtly even worse.

So yes you provided data and it supported us and not you, go figure...