🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

Just saw some minor VHF skip or something... my beacon just traveled 155 miles to virginia from my roof... thats unusually far for 2m VHF....

#EE #Radio #HamRadio #AmateurRadio #Electronics #RF

@kentborg @brouhaha

Yup, it tells you a lot. Suitability as a transmitter is not usually one them.

@barney i do care which one wins between biden and trunp... i just care less about that than i do seeing a third party take enough of a share to displace one of the two main parties. That woukd do far more for america, so thats what i vote for. And again its happened 8 times, so the odds are good enough to be worth the risk.

As for the number of tines a third party won, that isnt what we are measuring. We are measuring the number of tines a third party became a primary party. Different math your doing

@brouhaha thats irrelevant. You just stick a tuner on it or add a capacitor/inductor to match at the feed point.

@barney you can find it in my tineline where i list every tine in us history where a third party becomes a primary party. The coubt was 8.. the math isnt hard to do.

@trinsec @slider7420

Pakleds were actually really smart, thry just had poor linguistic skills.

@TruthSandwich @barney

Bidens odds are obviously much higher, no one can deny that. But the chance of a third party win based off historic data is more than enough for me not to pick one of the two most evil politicians i coukd hope for.

@barney again, not equal, i do see a difference. But its not about the degree of difference. If they were two identicle not evil candidates id also vote for them. I see a difference, bother are just more thsn amply evil enough that it doesnt matter that one is more evil, neither has any right to win.

@TruthSandwich @barney

Not if you actually calculate the historic numbers. Comes out to a bit better than 1 in 12... do the math we have had 46 elections and 8 times a party has switched to a primary party.

@barney well no, as i often say, of the two democrats are very marginally less evil. There is a difference. But one being evil as fuck and the other being evil as fuck just a smidge less, is not enough.

I would vote for them when they are significantly less evil though, as i did with Obama, who i dont regret voting for. But Biden, not a chance in hell.

@TruthSandwich

And you failed statistics... the odds are low, but easily calculated... 1 in 12 elections a party switches, on average.. thats more than enough odds for me to bet on the not-evil choices.

@barney

@barney My response was in no way exclusive to abortion. As I stated, voting the other side would have opened the world up to atrocities of equal measure just of a different nature.

Voting for one evil guy who does one set of evil things vs another evil guy who does a different set of evil things is no argument to vote for either... voting for the not-evil guy who has a 1 in 12 chance of winning, that is the only sane, not-evil choice one can make. Any other choice and you are supporting evil of the level you described.

@sergeant morning!

@barney No I am not ok with it... YOU let it happen by convincing people they cant vote for third parties, and thus people had to resort to one of two evil monsters both of which would commit cruelties of this magnitude and wors.. YOU are the one to blame, not me.

@barney Statistically there is about a 1 in 12 chance a third party will win this election. The odds are against him for sure. But I would take voting for a third party over voting for pure evil any day of the week... ill take those odds. If other people were smart so would they.

@barney Not true.. while those two nominees are very likely to be the case, it is not an absolute. Third parties have won 8 times in the history of the USA, and they can win again. It happens rare enough it is unlikely, but it has happened often enough to know there is a possibility.

Knowing third parties can win, and that all it takes for them to win is for people to stop spreading the lie of the 2-parties, then the best thing you can do to save the country is to vote 3rd party, if for no other reason than to send the message we have other choices and get others on board.

I certainly would never vote for one of the two existing choices, that in my mind would just be throwing my vote away because even if my choice wins I would regret it horribly.

@barney I disagree, but I understand why it might trick people into seeing it that way.

While it is true that Duverger;'s law will generally cause 95%+ of the votes to be split between two parties, that is not suggestive that a third party doesnt stand a chance or is a throw away vote.

Despite our voting system being such that Duverger's law was and is always applicable we have seen third parties win 8 times in the history of the US presidential elections (much more if we count senate). What we see, however, is these parties go from <2% of the votes in any previous election to suddenly >50% vote in a single election cycle. This is how the law truely manifests... until the actual support for the party reaches 50% it will retain an **apparent** support of <2%. Then suddenly when the actual support crosses the 50% threshold then the apparent support comes to match it immediately.

This effectively means a third party vote is not and never has been a throw away vote. It acts just like any other vote, it just gets distorted in the final numbers.

@cr1901 @brouhaha

Yes 555 have indeed been used to debounce switches:

https://learn.digilentinc.com/Documents/324