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@icedquinn

More or less agree with that, sure.

@ML2 @LouisIngenthron

@ceoln

Actually its proof of the opposite.

So you are saying there is a good bill being proposed with good programs and the reason it was held up is because the republicans were split 44 (in favor) - 5 (against) and that is the fault of those 5 free thinkers. Meanwhile the democrats all 48 voted against the bill because they all stick together and tow the party line and see it as a GOP proposed bill.

So why are you blaming the 5 free thinkers in the GOP for stopping the bill rather than the 48 democrats who arent free thinkers?

Sorry the logic isnt following.

@georgetakei

@ML2

One small nitpick. Id argue centrists and moderates are very different things.

Centrists exist near the center point, perhaps with a slight lean, but youll find their policy support largely split for one side or the other.

A moderate will be left or right with the majority of their policy points existing somewhere ont heir side of the spectrum. But all their points will be "moderate" rather than from the extreme part of their end of the spectrum.

The DNC is largely moderate left (or at least was a decade ago, they are verging on the extreme now). The GOP largely the same but perhaps a bit closer to the extreme end in recent years.

The non-moderate extreme left are the people like bernie.

Centrists dont really have a party. They are usually just described as swing voters.

@LouisIngenthron

@ceoln

> Thinking independently and making good decisions are not necessarily correlated! People can independently come to extremely bad conclusions.

They sure can. Which is why i said **only** thinking independently while making bad choices is bad.

That isnt an argument against the need for independent though. Just means other qualities are needed to make a politician a good one.

> I’m just saying that the quality of the decisions is far more important than whether they are arrived at independently.

Thats not an argument against the need for independent thought. All your arguing for is that you want both qualities, independent thoght AND good decisions... and yes this is true.

I never said independent thought is the most important quality to have.. others may be more important... but it is still one of the list of important qualities to have, and thus desirable

> Certainly if the group is going in a bad direction, then independence is good. But it’s good because it increases the odds of getting to a good place, not because of some inherent virtue.

Sure i dont care about any inherent virtue either... thing is, its also good when the group is headed in a good direction. Why?because it is a safeguard against the future when/if the group makes bad decisions.

There are quite a few other secondary reasons its important too.. the main one being that group think prevents ideas from being raised and discussed in opposition as it drives polarity.

@georgetakei

@lowqualityfacts

Actually Emily Clarke started it to get more acting work.. They started as "Chuck nor Riz" jokes in an attempt to discredit Chick Cannon and Riz Rhamed and keep them out of the business, less competition. Over time they turned into Chuck Norris jokes instead.

@darnell

I just did some checking in the scientific journals.

Of people who have bipolar and need treatment, 40% of them refuse to take their meds despite having access.

It would seem your personal view of having many friends with bipolar who all take their meds very much inaccurate. It would seem a very large portion of the general bipolar population refuse medication.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5975358/#:~:text=Among%20populations%20with%20bipolar%20disorder,associated%20with%20poor%20illness%20outcomes.

@realcaseyrollins

@darnell

> I know people who are bi-polar & most take their medicine.

It is very individual. Bipolar is not a "you have it" or "you dont" .. there are types, sub types, and level of sevarity. A person with a very mild case will have a much easier time being treated and staying on it than someone with a much worse case.

It would be incorrect to assume just because many people with bopolar are treated and have success that that must be the case for Ye specifically.

Also keep in mind what you see is usually only the part them and their family let you... for many people with bipolar if they have a relapse and stop taking their meds (or dont) it is not uncommon for them to stay away from the public (usually with the help of their family) until they can get better. So you very well just may never see this side of them. Keep in mind Ye follows that pattern, he has been isolated from the world as a result of him not medicating. Only reason you know about it in this case is because he is famous, if it were an ordinary person you'd probably never know.

> I did encounter a violent one who in the past refused. Let's just say friends & his family were not going to put up with his 🐂💩 & gave him the option of taking his medication or suffer the consequences as an outcast.
> He wisely took his medicine.

Its great he had family who forced his meds on him... but this also just goes to show how people off their meds think they dont need them and will resist it and its only when their life is indanger (like living on the street) you can sometimes force them to take it.

But Ye has money, so this wont work on him. He doesnt depend on anyone so they cant force him to take his meds.

> Ye is an adult & is responsible for his actions.

I find it very harmful to those with mental health problems to spread this kind of harmful ideology (I know your a good person so im not saying this to attack you). I do hope you reconsider it.

The fact that he is an adult doesnt negate his mental disease or that he is a victim of it.

When you have a disease that dictates your entire personality and actions, then no he is not responsible for his actions. The fact that you had a friend that was forced to take a pill once when his life was at risk took it is hardly a good argument.

> He obviously can take care of himself.

I mean, that doesnt seem obvious to me. But even if it where not sure how being able to brush your teeth comb your hair and feed yourself changes the fact that your entire personality and decision making capability is at the whim of your disease.

@realcaseyrollins

@bananarama

Valid points... but if i blocked them i would have no one left to laugh at. What your seeing here is less stress and more entertainment for me.

@passenger @SocialistStan@mymastadon.link @BetaCuck4Lyfe

@kmic Just watch the movie in black and white, same thing :)

@LouisIngenthron Why would you say that?
Trying to understand your interpritation here. But 2/3 opposing Trump as their first choice among those who stuck with the GOP (what is meant by likely GOP voters) would suggests there are still a few moderates around no?

That said if they are center-right im not sure they even qualify as "likely GOP voters" and probably wouldnt be cited here. center-right sound more like swing voters.

@ferricoxide

I would tend to agree.

@georgetakei @pyranose

Humans are unbearable with their little imaginary obsession with "who is at fault"... fault is a construct with almost no relevance.. there is an infinite chain of events leading up to everything that happens and any one of them could have changed the course. All we do is obsess over the one that pisses us off the most like it is somehow special.