🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@icedquinn

Yea i poined that out earlier int he thread too.. like even if he did take his meds it still doesnt mean it isnt his bipolar and that he is properly treated.

To which he rebutted that his wife knows he isnt taking his meds.

I mean sure, but thats a consequence of the disease too...

So yea im 100% with ya there.

@darnell

> His ex-wife has repeatedly stated that Ye was unwilling to take his medicine. He is choosing to be irresponsible so he will not get sympathy from me for his words & actions.

Ok, and as pointed out not wanting to take your meds is a symptom of bipolar.. when their on meds they tend to be willing to stay on it. But once they relapse while on the meds the relapse makes them want to stop taking it, they do, and it continues.

You keep trying to say its his choice... once your in a bipolar episode **no** its no longer your choice to take the meds, it is the disease running your brain not you.

> He has an ability to rectify the situation but is choosing not to out of foolishness. So no, I will not be sympathetic towards his situation.

No, he doesnt. When you have bipolar and are relapsing your choices are NOT your own. This includes the fact that the disease convinces you that you dont need meds.

@realcaseyrollins

@danny

Oh absolutely... look at johnny vs amber...

The moment amber accused Johnny he lost **everything** every franchise dropped him no one would hire him.. even Pirates of the Carribean killed the franchise just to drop him from it... all on an accusation with no proof.

Now fastforward, trial over, he is found to be **clearly** innocent. Amber is found to have lied about every piece of evidence and caught red handed... johnny is found innocent, and Amber even found guilty of lying and forced to pay...

So where are we now... Amber hasnt been dropped from even a single franchise that I know of. Still getting work, still on magazine covers. Her life was barely effected....

Meanwhile johnny is getting work again but all the contracts he lost, hasnt been fixed at all.

@bonifartius

@bonifartius Pretty sure that is a false statement....

@katrinakatrinka

> It was just last year, but it was close to Christmas, so you may have missed it. It was so bad since Biden has always made a big deal about riding and liking the trains.

I am a COVID research scientist and was in Israel for 2 years doing research. So yea this sounds like I missed it cause i was out of town.

> Anti-monopoly laws don't seize companies. They break up companies. The companies are still owned by private entities.

Well more or less yes.. the company is seized, and they are compensated with either money or shares in the new company (which of course can be sold for the money).

Were you suggesting stealing the money from the investors completely and leaving them with nothing? Even if we seized large companies to replace it with a government owned equievelant, obviously we would have to pay the owners a fair market value to do so (which is how its always done).

I mean at that point your starting to go way past just the left and your starting to sound more like communism. Even when homes are seized fromt he poor (as mentioned) they are paid a "fair market value" (or at least it is supposed to be fair).

> I think there's a lot of talking past each other going on in this conversation because the US understanding of socialism is really inconsistent with how other countries use it.

My bio says I live in the Netherlands (its old i just spent 2 years in israel but i still have my Dutch home)... Why are you assuming our misunderstanding is because of the US? For the record I have spent the majority of my life living around the world, usually move to a new country every few months or years (though NL is a permanent fixture for me). I have lived in most european countries, worked, got health care, all the stuff.

For the record though many europeans sometimes use socialism wrong too.. for example (as has been stated by multiple prime ministers) there are no socialist countries in europe only social-welfare capitalist countries. Which is accurate.

> For example, a lot of policies Nixon and Regan passed would be considered by current GOP as leftist.

Absolutely.. Being ont he left does **not** mean every single one of your policies needs to be left leaning. If the majority are on the left, then you lean left.

Nixon and Regand certainly had more policies on the left than most modern day republicans. But the bulk of their policies were still right. So it would be completely accurate to say Nixon and Regan where on the right, but closer to the center, than many of those in the GOP today.

More importantly, to solidify this, those int he GOP may see some of his policies as left, but most (at least the ones with more than 2 brain cells) woul be educated enough to still identify the fact that these people were right of center.

> The best way to debate is first to agree on definitions. Then discuss the subjects.

I tend to agree with that. As of the moment I havent seen any definitions we likely disagree on. We seem to agree, so far, on the definition of socialism at least (well i dont know yours, but we agree the american view of it is often wrong)

@pyranose @georgetakei

@danny

I tend to agree. We could argue the same, if the accuser isnt made public then how can people with evidence related to the crime, about the accuser, ever come to light either.

The transparency absolutely should go both ways.

I'd argue that hiding their identities makes sense if there is a special circumstance where they would be at particular risk... but that should be the exception and should that be the case I'd agree the entire case should be sealed including the name of the accused.

Also, making the accuser anonymous, not sure how that would even work from a practical standpoint.

@bonifartius

@bonifartius

I have never heard him say or have an opinion that would be on the right (by any measure) and quite a few on the left.

Interviewing tucker carlson doesnt tell me anything about if he is right or left.... disagreeing/agreeing with him might.

And yea it is nuts.. like i wouldnt be too surprised if people boycotted him.. but to have the UK parliment itself actively pull something like this based on rumor alone... Im astonished.

@danny

That is valid, but if accusations werent public then how could people with evidence in the public who hear about it come forward?

@bonifartius

@bonifartius I see him talking a lot about pro-left wing politics. Kinda ironic him being the victim of the very toxic environment he has supported.

@ceoln

> That depends on what they think is right. If someone is voting for terrible things, I'm not going to admire them for it because it's what their conscience tells them. I care somewhat more about what the politicians are voting for, than about whether they are showing an Independent Spirit by doing it. I'm fine with pols following the party line, if that line is actually good.

If you think independently and make good decisions, and that just happens to be in agreement with the party line, fine I have no problem with that.

But when its clear you are following the party line for sake of following the party line, espcially considering how poor a job the party is doing, then yea we have a problem. The problem is, I cant rely on you to make the right choice should the party become corrupted, so its not a good safeguard.

The democrats sadly have shown a pattern of voting the party line for the sake of voting the party line, group think has become very central to both parties, though moreso to the left it seems (based on george's post)

@georgetakei

@darnell

> Ye is an affluent adult with influence, not an impoverished person on the streets.

That seems like a very confusing response to me... So we are only supposed to be compassionate when someone is poor and has a disease resistant to treatment... when your rich and the pills arent working (or your disease is telling you not to take them) suddenly your disease isnt an acceptable explanation?

You do realize

1) one of the symptoms of diseases like this is that you dont tend to take your pills once you relapsed cause you cant think straight and dont know why you need to.

2) Being able to afford pills doesnt magically mean its your choice when you have relapses. You can be perfectly medicated and still have a manic episode... obviously if your too poor to afford pills that makes it harder, but just because you have access to a drug that **may** help with symptoms doesnt mean your immune cause your rich.

> If he is unwilling to take his medication, then he will be held accountable for his actions & words. He has no excuses, nor will he receive sympathy from me.

Why are you assuming he is unwilling to take his pills? It is not a curable disease, taking pills doesnt cure him... It **may** stop the relapses, but it may not. He very well may be fully medicated and still expierncing a relapse.

> If he was willing to be responsible, he would take his medicine & apologize.

Thats a very ignorant view of mental disease. When your treatment isnt working, or when you arent treated, one symptom of the disease itself is to not want to take the meds.

This is a bit like being mad at someone with Tourettes for using vulgarity or an offensive word. "If they really cared they would take their pills and stopping saying that word"... except that, just like bipolar, often times the meds wont stop it at all...

@realcaseyrollins

So I just heard about this through @bonifartius ... maybe im missing some details but let me see if i got this straight.

1) Russel Brand was accursed of some sort of sexually inappropriate activity, not sure what it is yet, but sounds serious. While serious as of yet no evidence has been made public, no trial, and his guilt is unknown.

2) Based on only accusation and rumer the UK parliment decided he should be treated as if he is guilty before a trial

3) the UK parliment has reached out to several platforms asking to deplatform him as punished for something we havent determined if he did yet

4) Platforms like YouTube saw no problem with this and agreed.

Is this seriously where we are at....

@katrinakatrinka

> So, you slept through the bank and auto manufacturer bailouts by Obama

Thats a fair point, that would be a right-leaning decision.

But you are aware if a politician does 20 policy decisions ont he left and 1 policy decision on the right, that it is still highly erroneous to try to claim that person is on the right, dont ya think?

> anti-labor actions Biden took against rail workers who wanted to strike?

This one im not familiar with. If true see above comment. But what are you referncing here?

> Not all of the things you said Obama and Biden pursued are even possible in our current capitalist representative democracy.

Ok, so what? How does that change if Obama is left or right wing if infrastructure or other politicians or whatever happens to make his goals impossible. That literally changes nothing about where Obama is in the spectrum even if true, or Biden.

> It'd be illegal for the government to seize private businesses.

We've done it in the past. When we passed anti-monopoly laws companies were seized, divided, and resold.

> The government only seizes private property from poor and disadvantaged people who don't have the resources to fight police civil asset forfeiture in lengthy court processes.

They certainly do that too... though still no relevance to what your responding to.

@pyranose @georgetakei

@passenger

What are you talking about... I work in an actual lab, wear a mask (would be an idiot not to) and am pro-vax and vaxxed.... I yelled at this dude for posting anti-vaxx misinformation....

What does that have to do with me doing experiments in my lungs?

@SocialistStan@mymastadon.link @BetaCuck4Lyfe

@georgetakei

The hilarious thing is.... he **is**... he literally his paying people who draw in crowds to post.