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@JonKramer

> Not sure he did create a monopoly

Ok then this wasnt even a valid point then.

> although I assume his administration oversaw the creation of a few. But without any doubt he continued the policies for existing monopolies, in the oil and gas industry, cable TV, internet service providers, pharmaceuticals, auto manufacturers, insurance companies (that is a HUGH one under Obama) and literally thousands of other monopolies licensed by the state.

He isnt a dictator, he doesnt get to dictate the state of things. He can, at best, suggest a bill (this is rare), and he can veto bills, thats it.. You act like he can go in and change anything to whatever he wants... it doesnt work that way.

So all we can do if we are honestly evaluate if he is left or right, is not to look at the things he never had a decision to make on at all.. we look on the votes he did make the actions he did. This nonsense of "everything wasnt perfect when he left so he is right wing for not fixing everything" is so beyond absurd...

> If you have an abortion ban that says you can not remove a dead fetus from a mother, then you do not care about the body autonomy of the mother.

On this I agree, then you dont care.. however that is **not** the stance of the right as a whole, so you are just blowing hot air on that one. While they are generally against abortion, sure, but whether or not they can abort a dead fetus is not a left or right idea specifically.

> Google up “abortion ban dead fetus” for examples where this is undeniably true.

I just searched it... what I found was that an overwhelming majority (66%) of the GOP beleive abortion should be legal under extenuating circumstances such as a dead fetus, risk to the mother, rape, etc.

So yea thanks, the search confirmed this is **not** a majority held property of those on the right. More importantly it wouldnt be objectively either per my above comments.

> The right doesn’t care about body autonomy.

Seeing as you encouraged me to look it up and the actual data confirmed perfectly the scenario I said and debunked your own... seems this is clearly proven to be false if we are judging them based on their policy stance.

> If they did, they would support drug use, prostitution, abortion, trans gender surgery, etc.

Well as covered earlier they actually **do** support drug use, more so then the left anyway. While Biden actively said he would not legalize marijuana Trump said he would... and while Trump didnt fully achieve it he came pretty damn close with the Farm Bill passed.

Abortion we already covered too.

Prostitution I agree is a right-wing policy stance. The GOP, while being mostly right wing, is not synonymous with the right wing. On most issues they pick a right-wing stance on very few they pick a left-wing... this is one of the few the GOP picks a left wing stance by not supporting it.

> And ‘the left’ doesn’t support those things either. Which to me indicates that ‘the left’ is almost as far right as ‘the right.’

No you mean the DNC doesnt support it. the DNC is not the same as the left even though they as a party are on the left (a person can be on the left and hold some non-left view so long as the aggregate is clearly left). When you go down the policy list of the DNC 98% of it is all on the left, 2% might be right wing ideas.... most of the policy stance however is not a right or left principle and denotes a different metric (like authoritarianism, which is independent of left or right)

> s for vaccines, I think American history is full of forced vaccines. The 1st forced vaccines were done by George Washington (innoculations). We have had vaccine passports since about WW I. Every school kid in public school has needed one since about 1950, Public health isn’t a left or right issue, and there have always been ways to bypass vaccines.

This doesnt even address what was said... Whether forcing people to take a drug is common and has been done before has absolutely **no** relevance on if it is a left or right wing principle... To argue its been the normal since forever as some twisted argument that it is left or right wing is just nonsensical and does nothing to advance that point.

Being against forced drugging of people (personal freedom) is a right wing principle... force drugging people for the greater good is a left wing principle. The fact that it has been done before and isnt new has no bearing on that.

> Repetition is not proof.

I agree, and what you responded to was not me repeating myself, so also not relevant. I had pointed to the fact this was already proven and evidence laid out earlier in the same message.. that is not repetition, that is avoiding repetition and refering you to the original proof instead.

> When the BLM candidates control even 25% of the government, when the Rent is Too Damn High Party has even NYC, when The ANTIFA party has 100 congressmen, and 30 senators… then their MIGHT be a left wing in this country. Right now we have the theocratic right, and the Senator from a credit card company.

Yea this is also really disconnected from what is being discussed... we arent saying the country is a left-wing country... we are saying Obama and Biden were left wing... huge difference. It amazed me you cant see how poorly your arguing your point... like somehow the entire country having high rent or somethign proves Obama and Biden werent left wing.... i almost sprained my muscled rolling my eyes on this one.

@Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

@JonKramer

> Not sure he did create a monopoly

Ok then this wasnt even a valid point then.

> although I assume his administration oversaw the creation of a few. But without any doubt he continued the policies for existing monopolies, in the oil and gas industry, cable TV, internet service providers, pharmaceuticals, auto manufacturers, insurance companies (that is a HUGH one under Obama) and literally thousands of other monopolies licensed by the state.

He isnt a dictator, he doesnt get to dictate the state of things. He can, at best, suggest a bill (this is rare), and he can veto bills, thats it.. You act like he can go in and change anything to whatever he wants... it doesnt work that way.

So all we can do if we are honestly evaluate if he is left or right, is not to look at the things he never had a decision to make on at all.. we look on the votes he did make the actions he did. This nonsense of "everything wasnt perfect when he left so he is right wing for not fixing everything" is so beyond absurd...

> If you have an abortion ban that says you can not remove a dead fetus from a mother, then you do not care about the body autonomy of the mother.

On this I agree, then you dont care.. however that is **not** the stance of the right as a whole, so you are just blowing hot air on that one. While they are generally against abortion, sure, but whether or not they can abort a dead fetus is not a left or right idea specifically.

> Google up “abortion ban dead fetus” for examples where this is undeniably true.

I just searched it... what I found was that an overwhelming majority (66%) of the GOP beleive abortion should be legal under extenuating circumstances such as a dead fetus, risk to the mother, rape, etc.

So yea thanks, the search confirmed this is **not** a majority held property of those on the right. More importantly it wouldnt be objectively either per my above comments.

> The right doesn’t care about body autonomy.

Seeing as you encouraged me to look it up and the actual data confirmed perfectly the scenario I said and debunked your own... seems this is clearly proven to be false if we are judging them based on their policy stance.

> If they did, they would support drug use, prostitution, abortion, trans gender surgery, etc.

Well as covered earlier they actually **do** support drug use, more so then the left anyway. While Biden actively said he would not legalize marijuana Trump said he would... and while Trump didnt fully achieve it he came pretty damn close with the Farm Bill passed.

Abortion we already covered too.

Prostitution I agree is a right-wing policy stance. The GOP, while being mostly right wing, is not synonymous with the right wing. On most issues they pick a right-wing stance on very few they pick a left-wing... this is one of the few the GOP picks a left wing stance by not supporting it.

> And ‘the left’ doesn’t support those things either. Which to me indicates that ‘the left’ is almost as far right as ‘the right.’

No you mean the DNC doesnt support it. the DNC is not the same as the left even though they as a party are on the left (a person can be on the left and hold some non-left view so long as the aggregate is clearly left). When you go down the policy list of the DNC 98% of it is all on the left, 2% might be right wing ideas.... most of the policy stance however is not a right or left principle and denotes a different metric (like authoritarianism, which is independent of left or right)

> s for vaccines, I think American history is full of forced vaccines. The 1st forced vaccines were done by George Washington (innoculations). We have had vaccine passports since about WW I. Every school kid in public school has needed one since about 1950, Public health isn’t a left or right issue, and there have always been ways to bypass vaccines.

This doesnt even address what was said... Whether forcing people to take a drug is common and has been done before has absolutely **no** relevance on if it is a left or right wing principle... To argue its been the normal since forever as some twisted argument that it is left or right wing is just nonsensical and does nothing to advance that point.

Being against forced drugging of people (personal freedom) is a right wing principle... force drugging people for the greater good is a left wing principle. The fact that it has been done before and isnt new has no bearing on that.

> Repetition is not proof.

I agree, and what you responded to was not me repeating myself, so also not relevant. I had pointed to the fact this was already proven and evidence laid out earlier in the same message.. that is not repetition, that is avoiding repetition and refering you to the original proof instead.

> When the BLM candidates control even 25% of the government, when the Rent is Too Damn High Party has even NYC, when The ANTIFA party has 100 congressmen, and 30 senators… then their MIGHT be a left wing in this country. Right now we have the theocratic right, and the Senator from a credit card company.

Yea this is also really disconnected from what is being discussed... we arent saying the country is a left-wing country... we are saying Obama and Biden were left wing... huge difference. It amazed me you cant see how poorly your arguing your point... like somehow the entire country having high rent or somethign proves Obama and Biden werent left wing.... i almost sprained my muscled rolling my eyes on this one.

@Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

@trinsec Ahh yes, I can see how Bilbo's birthday might help you remember your buddy's :)

@trinsec Oh there is actually a day called hobbit day? I was just calling it that because today is the day the book was released... didnt know there was a real day called hobbit day that is the day after it was released.

While autism is very much real I am of the unpopular opinion that the vast majority of people diagnosed with autism are incorrectly diagnosed. What we see as Autistic a lot of times is just what it looks like being the only sane one in the room.

It just makes sense, many of the people diagnosed are the only ones being rational and respectful in a conversation while everyone else is going to fly off the handle and accusing them of being rude or insensitive.... Its not that the Autistic cant read emotions, its that the other people are so malajusted they fly off the handle at getting offended frivilously, often some sort of personality disorder at play. But instead of labeling 90% of people as having the personality disorder or whatever it is that causes them to be toxic, we blame the 10% of rational people who dont play into that game and call it autism.

Keep in mind im largely talking about people here who are fairly high functioning, If they have trouble with verbal skills or any of the other symptoms of autism that dont relate to human relations directly, those cases are likely very real, even the higher functioning ones.

@trinsec Pretty sure its the 21st... but im not expert thats just what the internet told me once

"Its not the better wolf that wins, its the one you feed" -- Classic two-world folk tale

@nosat

Ahh good point. I hadnt considered that, you are right, **are** a brain dead moron

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

@darnell

Even a court of law wont hold someone accountable for their actions during psychotic episodes.

I am sure you mean well. But honestly this is by far the most harmful thing I have ever heard you say,, that you think people expierncing severe mental illness are in control and accountable to it.

But I guess there is nothing else to say. I guess I just hope youll change that attitude before it does too much harm. Again I know you mean well so I have some hope of that.

@realcaseyrollins

@Gina IIRC that was your dream, to work remote and traveling is a nice bonus.

Congrats, sounds like you are living the life!

Me? Hmm, not sure how far to go back. When did we speak last? Did we talk since i came back to america recently?

@timorl

What do you mean, a lack of evidence from Johnnys side would have exactly that effect, he would be found guilty, especially if the other side did not have a problem there.

@bonifartius @olives

@timorl

That alone would be quite damning.

That said even if i review it and decide I think he is likely guilty, it doesnt justify the UK parliment to punish him as if he is guilty before a court of law has found him guilty... Its a scary overstep to say the list and wrong.

@bonifartius

@olives

Ahh yes I think i remember that.. if so I'd say that makes it a pretty cut and dry case of his innocence and her guilt

@timorl @bonifartius

@timorl

I'm probably still missing a lot... So far all I hear are the accounts of the witnesses. While they will be heard and considered in court (As they should be)... I cant find, as of yet, any evidence beyond that.

One woman said she visited a rape center after the incident... that sounds like it could be a piece of evidence... has that been confirmed or do we just have her word on it.

Any other evidence i have overlooked in my quest search?

@bonifartius

@timorl

Thats fair, I dont remember hearing about rape in the hearing when i watched parts of it.

@bonifartius

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